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emm kay Direct Action Resources 260	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:30:00 - [1] - Quote simple and easy way to fix every thing in one swipe, and it really is simple enough. you just have to do this one thing. that's it. no strings. here it is: Do NOT let squads into Public matches. . hold off the "wat u say m8" stuff for a second. I'm going to explain how this will fix everything in one go: Matchmaking-) without squads, scotty is allowed to make much better desecisions, he can put the usual squadders against eachother. this will provide even teams, games, and even a nice battle flow if scotty does this properly. Protostomping-) All protostomping is forced to move to FW. New players will have a place to develop during pub matches, and experienced players can sap LPs playerbase-) With more players being able to learn independently, we will see a bigger influx of players. FW-) it will get the economy flowing. Once again, players will be competetive where they are supposed to be. Why This may not be a great Idea: at first, most people will complain, This is inevitable Why CCP won't listen to me: Because the people who squade are the biggest spenders on aurum. it's simple as that. CCP knows that Dust is under the mercy of those who play it, and even though legion is moving in ( I heard the alpha is floating around), Rattati doesn't want to loose those who pay his team's wages. I get that. but at this rate, What rattati is doing is like exposing more wick in an oil lamp. the lamp burns brighter, for a small time. I don't want that to happen. Do you? There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 795	Posted - 2015.02.15 22:38:00 - [2] - Quote It would certainly have a chance at evening up the teams... But you forget some of the people who hate protato stompage and people playing games with their friends. They would throw quite the hissy fit if they couldn't guarantee being on the same team. Then again if you add in something that tries to put players from the same corp/contacts list together, but only if possible without throwing balance off. It could work.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1529	Posted - 2015.02.16 00:19:00 - [3] - Quote It actually seems like a good idea to me. Because, that's why.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 262	Posted - 2015.02.16 00:47:00 - [4] - Quote Derpty Derp wrote: It would certainly have a chance at evening up the teams... But you forget some of the people who hate protato stompage and people playing games with their friends. They would throw quite the hissy fit if they couldn't guarantee being on the same team. Then again if you add in something that tries to put players from the same corp/contacts list together, but only if possible without throwing balance off. It could work. yes, Voting should be allowed. I think at 1ISK per vote sounds reasonable. Each vote sets off the power of one team ( the one you vote for) to be more powerful. In turn, the opposing team gets that ISK added to THEIR pot. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 214	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:14:00 - [5] - Quote You're going to get torn apart for this. Every time that someone has suggested "Remove squads!" those same people come in and yell "Wtf, no git gud, make ur own squad scrb" and get their way. It would be better altogether if there was just a separate mode that didn't allow squads rather than removing them outright. Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 262	Posted - 2015.02.16 01:44:00 - [6] - Quote Commander Noctus wrote: You're going to get torn apart for this. Every time that someone has suggested "Remove squads!" those same people come in and yell "Wtf, no git gud, make ur own squad scrb" and get their way. It would be better altogether if there was just a separate mode that didn't allow squads rather than removing them outright. Re-Read. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Commander Noctus Gallente Loyalist 214	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:02:00 - [7] - Quote emm kay wrote: Commander Noctus wrote: You're going to get torn apart for this. Every time that someone has suggested "Remove squads!" those same people come in and yell "Wtf, no git gud, make ur own squad scrb" and get their way. It would be better altogether if there was just a separate mode that didn't allow squads rather than removing them outright. Re-Read. Am I not understanding something? Or did my last comment come off wrong? I understand you don't want to remove squads from everything, just pubs, which is probably something I should've clarified in my post... Gallente User since Jan. 28th, 2013. Touched on every Gallente role since.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 263	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:05:00 - [8] - Quote Commander Noctus wrote: emm kay wrote: Commander Noctus wrote: You're going to get torn apart for this. Every time that someone has suggested "Remove squads!" those same people come in and yell "Wtf, no git gud, make ur own squad scrb" and get their way. It would be better altogether if there was just a separate mode that didn't allow squads rather than removing them outright. Re-Read. Am I not understanding something? Or did my last comment come off wrong? I understand you don't want to remove squads from everything, just pubs, which is probably something I should've clarified in my post... ding ding. honestly I don't mind ein flatened by an LAV multiple times if i'm running apex. let's be honest anything short of infinite suits will be something you will have to get somewhat anxious forl. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 4968	Posted - 2015.02.16 02:07:00 - [9] - Quote So what you're saying, is you want to remove the ability to play with your friends in basically every game mode except PC and Facwar? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Ahkhomi Cypher Opus Arcana 628	Posted - 2015.02.16 04:26:00 - [10] - Quote Then who will carry me? No Skill Required

Templar XIII Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 60	Posted - 2015.02.16 19:32:00 - [11] - Quote Commander Noctus wrote: You're going to get torn apart for this. Every time that someone has suggested "Remove squads!" those same people come in and yell "Wtf, no git gud, make ur own squad scrb" and get their way. It would be better altogether if there was just a separate mode that didn't allow squads rather than removing them outright. This is an excellent idea, but only, if it gets a 1 minute timer on the warbarge for randoms to squad up there, this minimizes chances of people leaving, rejoining, leaving, rejoining to finally get in one corp only squads and allows for those on the warbarge to create communication channels w/o stray comm distractors, but with other familiar looking randoms. If squad building is only allowed on the ground, it should be a skirmish like map w/o a timer. By the love of the great One, big Baba Matumba, lord Almighty Sky Wizard, please CCP, turn me true Amarr. finally...
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2499	Posted - 2015.02.16 21:48:00 - [12] - Quote Templar XIII wrote: Commander Noctus wrote: You're going to get torn apart for this. Every time that someone has suggested "Remove squads!" those same people come in and yell "Wtf, no git gud, make ur own squad scrb" and get their way. It would be better altogether if there was just a separate mode that didn't allow squads rather than removing them outright. This is an excellent idea, but only, if it gets a 1 minute timer on the warbarge for randoms to squad up there, this minimizes chances of people leaving, rejoining, leaving, rejoining to finally get in one corp only squads and allows for those on the warbarge to create communication channels w/o stray comm distractors, but with other familiar looking randoms. If squad building is only allowed on the ground, it should be a skirmish like map w/o a timer. I could live with this - once all 32 slots are filled we load to the warbarge for 60 seconds to check out the other side and squad up. Can only see the player experience getting better, tbh. As for playing with your friends, why don't we make an exception rule based on starter fits or metalevel: if everyone in the squad is in starter fits or under some meta-level cutoff then the squad can join pub matches, with only starter fits(or some max meta-level) loadouts available for the duration of the match. Prolly wouldn't be too hard to implement, just a filter on player loadouts. PSN: RationalSpark
emm kay Direct Action Resources 265	Posted - 2015.02.21 00:00:00 - [13] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: So what you're saying, is you want to remove the ability to play with your friends in basically every game mode except PC and Facwar? I'm saying that you're going to have to go WITHOUT sqauds in dom, ambush, and skirm.,,, There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Russell Franklin The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 7	Posted - 2015.02.21 03:28:00 - [14] - Quote What about reducing the size of the squad in pubs to 4 or 3? Quafe forge gun + Quafe sentinel = Fabulous Rag dolling
Forever ETC Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 949	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:17:00 - [15] - Quote I was going to go against this till I realized I only squad when doing FW. No one does it better than PIE Lasers4life "Jesus!" yelled the blues "No, my name is Forever"
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5023	Posted - 2015.02.21 04:45:00 - [16] - Quote emm kay wrote: Pokey Dravon wrote: So what you're saying, is you want to remove the ability to play with your friends in basically every game mode except PC and Facwar? I'm saying that you're going to have to go WITHOUT sqauds in dom, ambush, and skirm.,,, So I wont be able to play with my friends. Got it. Yeah no thanks. "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7350	Posted - 2015.02.21 08:51:00 - [17] - Quote Until ISK rewards are added to FW or removed from FW LP store costs this scheme is a no-fly. Because unless you're in PC you have to sip on the Pubmatch teat. Demanding that people not be allowed to team up in order to generate more isk faster or restrict them from playing with friends is self-serving and dickish in the extreme. Squadding is hardly restricted to the "corp elite" and bluntly the cries to have squads removed is mewling. AV
Miokai Zahou WarRavens 453	Posted - 2015.02.21 10:11:00 - [18] - Quote This idea of removing squads from public matches won't be taken seriously as the point of a team based game is to run solo or in squads with either friends or randoms but saying that reducing the squad sizes for public matches sounds more logical. Noob isn't really a status, it's the online equivalent of a 5-year old calling you a poopy fart head.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 91	Posted - 2015.02.21 13:47:00 - [19] - Quote The only stomping, that I see, is when "out of region" squads dominate; because they blue shield due to high latency.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 249	Posted - 2015.02.21 13:58:00 - [20] - Quote Change this to no squads in ambush modes and blammo! We have a winnah! "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~

emm kay Direct Action Resources 266	Posted - 2015.02.21 14:48:00 - [21] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Until ISK rewards are added to FW or removed from FW LP store costs this scheme is a no-fly. Because unless you're in PC you have to sip on the Pubmatch teat. Demanding that people not be allowed to team up in order to generate more isk faster or restrict them from playing with friends is self-serving and dickish in the extreme. Squadding is hardly restricted to the "corp elite" and bluntly the cries to have squads removed is mewling. yeah, what's up with that? why dont we get ISK from fw. it's a valid complaint, and I doubt it will be heard, but it is a problem. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 266	Posted - 2015.02.21 23:56:00 - [22] - Quote just collected my daily reward and joined a game. 2 squads Q-syncing. this is a problem ccp. hear me. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Kuruld Sengar T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K RISE of LEGION 218	Posted - 2015.02.22 00:03:00 - [23] - Quote I love this idea. A am a squadder and a proto runner and all that which means I beneft from the squads, but in the long run I will get more enjoyment out of this idea. We still have factional right? If anything, factional would be more active, and pubs would be more newbie friendly. Not sure if it will happen though, everyone seems to hate change. Especially if they are making bank on the current system.
One Eyed King Nos Nothi 7933	Posted - 2015.02.22 00:04:00 - [24] - Quote While I would enjoy a squadless game mode, I think it would be hypocritical of me to advocate for it. I like the squad number moving to 4 from 6. Why squads aren't pitted against one another for balancing purposes as they are supposed to, I can't figure out. Until Dust has the player numbers to support creating squad free game mode, I can't be in favor of ostracizing people who like to squad, even if it does have some positive benefits, its just not worth it. Former CEO of the Land of the BIind. Any double entendre is unintended I assure you.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 266	Posted - 2015.02.22 00:05:00 - [25] - Quote Kuruld Sengar wrote: I love this idea. A am a squadder and a proto runner and all that which means I beneft from the squads, but in the long run I will get more enjoyment out of this idea. We still have factional right? If anything, factional would be more active, and pubs would be more newbie friendly. Not sure if it will happen though, everyone seems to hate change. Especially if they are making bank on the current system. haha, it was your corp i was against in said game. no hard feelings. Sadly, no matter how popular this idea becomes, ccp won't give in. they get paid by the same people who don't want change. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
emm kay Direct Action Resources 270	Posted - 2015.03.01 14:23:00 - [26] - Quote got back from a robotics tournament. joined a few games first game: pubstomped second game: pubstomped. third game: against newbies. felt bad an' left. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7415	Posted - 2015.03.01 14:42:00 - [27] - Quote Yeah no. Just because YOU want to run solo doesn't mean anyone else necessarily does, nor should they be forced to play the way YOU want them to. This is in addition to the No ISk in facwar point from earlier. You want it gone because you don't like it. that's fine. but your opinion that you don't like it is irrelevant as a balance concern. thank you drive through. AV
emm kay Direct Action Resources 270	Posted - 2015.03.01 15:00:00 - [28] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Yeah no. Just because YOU want to run solo doesn't mean anyone else necessarily does, nor should they be forced to play the way YOU want them to. This is in addition to the No ISk in facwar point from earlier. You want it gone because you don't like it. that's fine. but your opinion that you don't like it is irrelevant as a balance concern. thank you drive through. Not only is the mechanic broken for EVERYONE who wants to run solo, this is real bad for newbies too. No newbie wants to get absolutetly steam rolled because of one group of people against their team. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 7419	Posted - 2015.03.02 13:45:00 - [29] - Quote emm kay wrote: Breakin Stuff wrote: Yeah no. Just because YOU want to run solo doesn't mean anyone else necessarily does, nor should they be forced to play the way YOU want them to. This is in addition to the No ISk in facwar point from earlier. You want it gone because you don't like it. that's fine. but your opinion that you don't like it is irrelevant as a balance concern. thank you drive through. Not only is the mechanic broken for EVERYONE who wants to run solo, this is real bad for newbies too. No newbie wants to get absolutetly steam rolled because of one group of people against their team. It isn't broken for everyone who wants to run solo. Suck it up. Solo players are not special snowflakes who deserve accommodation like a handicapped person getting wheelchair access to a building. Newbies can be cured by battle academy till 15 mil SP. AV
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5118	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:00:00 - [30] - Quote It's a team based game, it should not cater to the solo player, it should cater to groups working together. The newbie problem is an Academy problem, not a squad problem. As for solo players, they either need to HTFU or SquadTFU "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net

Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 625	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:34:00 - [31] - Quote Pub is described as a mode for solo players and small squads. Either removing squads, or re-introducing the warbarge and prevent pre-formed squads from joining, or lowering the squad size to 4, are all good ideas. If you want coordinated play, go into FW. Pub should be for the randoms. That's why there's no friendly fire in the mode. It should be about ragtag groups of players that joined up ad-hoc and solos that want to improve themselves individually. Do this and you'll have more strongly defined roles for the different game modes. It will also make for a much smoother progression from Academy, to Pub, to FW, to PC. Things to consider: - FW doesn't have ISK payouts (Maybe do so via salvage?), Dom or Ambush (Some people like that stuff) - Pub players literally cannot gain APEX suits without spending Aurum
Lightning35 Delta514 48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE 187	Posted - 2015.03.02 19:51:00 - [32] - Quote How about reducing squads to 4? It's a good idea yes but I think CCP would better reduce the sizes. 48th Special Operations Force. Twitter- @48SOF
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5120	Posted - 2015.03.02 21:49:00 - [33] - Quote Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: How about reducing squads to 4? It's a good idea yes but I think CCP would better reduce the sizes. I could actually buy into reduction of squad size for pubs, but removing them entirely is simply a stupid idea. I mean honestly, how many objective based FPS games out there don't let you group up with others? "That little s**t Pokey..." --CCP Rattati, Biomassed Episode 032 Dust514 // Podcast www.biomassed.net
emm kay Direct Action Resources 274	Posted - 2015.03.02 22:04:00 - [34] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: How about reducing squads to 4? It's a good idea yes but I think CCP would better reduce the sizes. I could actually buy into reduction of squad size for pubs, but removing them entirely is simply a stupid idea. I mean honestly, how many objective based FPS games out there don't let you group up with others? Solider front, AVA, CS GO (they let you do it, but don't encourage it) Solider front 2 Every COD game EVER ( I think, I haven't played them myself.) PS2 is the only game I see that teamwork is actually a nessecary role, and CCP is trying to do that with dust in a game in which it should not. This is not legion. This is dust. I'm not trying to eliminate every squad ever. not in my OP i said in PUB MATCHES. PUB. MATCHES. if you want to squad, FW should be the place. There is a reason you never see me in battle. it's because I see you first.
GLOBAL RAGE Consolidated Dust 102	Posted - 2015.03.02 22:29:00 - [35] - Quote Fix high latency via region locking and stomping will be mitigated.


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