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Timtron Victory
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Posted - 2015.02.14 05:13:00 -
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So is the increased range and rate of fire better than the increased damage from the breach?
Which is better for a a Min scout and which is better for an Amarr Logi?
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Posted - 2015.02.14 05:24:00 -
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The breach has pretty much the same DPS as the regular one, but the low rate of fire allows you to fire longer before needing to reload. I don't really know how it compares to the assault variant though.
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DRT 99
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Posted - 2015.02.14 05:41:00 -
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assault seems like its pretty garbage - not sure what its range is but unless its like 3x regular SMG range.... |
Atiim
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Posted - 2015.02.14 05:45:00 -
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Honestly I've used them both on my Minmatar Assault and which one is better comes down to personal preference.
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Sequal's Back
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Posted - 2015.02.14 10:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Honestly I've used them both on my Minmatar Assault and which one is better comes down to personal preference.
This.
The breach is great because of one thing: its low cost on ammo. Then all SMGs are pretty much the same.
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Francois Sanchez
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Posted - 2015.02.14 11:16:00 -
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All SMGs have roughly the same DPS (380, 383 and 385 at PRO)
The ASMG has a slightly (barely noticeable ) increased range compared to the normal variant (2 meters)
The Breach has a slightly (barely noticeable) shorter range than normal SMG (2 meters)
However, at equal DPS, a weapon with loxer RoF has several advantages : it's easier to not miss shots, so the applied DPS is higher. Moreover a low RoF gun is has generally less hit detection problems.
Finally, the damage per clip :
ASMG : 1293
SMG : 1848
BrSMG : 2376
To me the winner is pretty obvious, but the SMG remains a great choice.
However the ASMG has big drawbacks for a tiny range increase and it uses more CPU/PG |
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Posted - 2015.02.14 11:51:00 -
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Francois Sanchez wrote:All SMGs have roughly the same DPS (380, 383 and 385 at PRO)
The ASMG has a slightly (barely noticeable ) increased range compared to the normal variant (2 meters)
The Breach has a slightly (barely noticeable) shorter range than normal SMG (2 meters)
However, at equal DPS, a weapon with loxer RoF has several advantages : it's easier to not miss shots, so the applied DPS is higher. Moreover a low RoF gun is has generally less hit detection problems.
Finally, the damage per clip :
ASMG : 1293
SMG : 1848
BrSMG : 2376
To me the winner is pretty obvious, but the SMG remains a great choice.
However the ASMG has big drawbacks for a tiny range increase and it uses more CPU/PG
What about the cala smg?
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:00:00 -
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Breach, assault one has lower dps and lower damage per clip.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.02.14 13:32:00 -
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I prefer the Assault because I can literally shotgun people point blank with it.
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Izlare Lenix
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Posted - 2015.02.14 13:44:00 -
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Breach all the way.
It has one of the highest damage per clips in the game, which is very useful. And it still does roughly the same dps.
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Timtron Victory
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:09:00 -
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Thanks for all the replies.
I am thinking.
Assault Submachine Gun on my Amarr Logi
Breach Submachine Gun on my Minamatar Scout
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:12:00 -
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Assault SMG for me blue shields A LOT but once I'm down to armor, destroys in very little time.
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:34:00 -
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LUGMOS wrote:Assault SMG for me blue shields A LOT but once I'm down to armor, destroys in very little time.
Marauder shields?
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:36:00 -
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Assault SMG is good for shooting sentinels in the back.
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DRT 99
Storm Wind Strikeforce
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Posted - 2015.02.15 05:22:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Assault SMG is good for shooting sentinels in the back.
Thing is evil.
As long as you have ammo left in your primary, cos that thing aint gonna kill a self respecting sentinel in 1 clip.
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Posted - 2015.02.15 08:49:00 -
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Breach. Both have same DPS but breach saves on ammo due to slow RoF.
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Eyniletti Rangers
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Posted - 2015.02.15 12:37:00 -
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The assault releases a fast burst..it is the most effective side fire cqc smg
The breach excels in longer range is better for higher tanked suits has a long slow fire time rewarding aim and accuracy greatly
The standard smg has average range and average performance in all areas
I don't believe the assault smg..is usefull on anything but a scout however with scout shotty it's pretty darn nice for cleaning up ..really fast rof and spray ability makes it great for clean up
I use assault smg on scouts
Breach on medium frame assaults ..with the exception being the min assault which runs standard smg
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Posted - 2015.02.15 12:41:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:I prefer the Assault because I can literally shotgun people point blank with it.
That's why I run it ona scout with a shotty it's a cqc monster
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DRT 99
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Posted - 2015.02.15 14:21:00 -
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Slave of MORTE wrote:Snip
Breach has less range than standard, which in turn has garbage range to begin with.
Id hardly call breach good at long range. |
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Posted - 2015.02.15 18:11:00 -
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Sequal's Back wrote:Atiim wrote:Honestly I've used them both on my Minmatar Assault and which one is better comes down to personal preference. This. The breach is great because of one thing: its low cost on ammo. Then all SMGs are pretty much the same.
All good in my opinion
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Timtron Victory
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Posted - 2015.02.15 19:05:00 -
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Faced a Gal scout and had to reload with a breach, he had just 47 armor left and killed me. I will still to the regular submachine gun for my scout and the assault for my logi
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Posted - 2015.02.15 19:18:00 -
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Breach.
Damage fall off at a distance vs. armor, doesn't effect it as much as the Assault variant.
It's single shot damage is high enough to matter against even high regen armor targets, so the penalty for missing a few rounds against a strafing target isn't as pronounced as it would be using the Assault variant.
I have successfully used the BrSMG against targets at range with their shields down, but not so much with the Assault.
This is just my experience with it over time, and is anecdotal in every sense of the word.
But I prefer it over the assault variant, in a strafe.
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Timtron Victory
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Posted - 2015.02.15 19:29:00 -
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Jathniel wrote:Breach.
Damage fall off at a distance vs. armor, doesn't effect it as much as the Assault variant.
It's single shot damage is high enough to matter against even high regen armor targets, so the penalty for missing a few rounds against a strafing target isn't as pronounced as it would be using the Assault variant.
I have successfully used the BrSMG against targets at range with their shields down, but not so much with the Assault.
This is just my experience with it over time, and is anecdotal in every sense of the word.
But I prefer it over the assault variant, in a strafe.
I am thinking about the Regular version against strafing targets
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:55:00 -
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DRT 99 wrote:Slave of MORTE wrote:Snip Breach has less range than standard, which in turn has garbage range to begin with. Id hardly call breach good at long range.
Guess you do t use it often it's like how the magsec should be ..i kill people with at 35 40 m which is long fir an smg
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