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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:08:00 -
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There was a math error in the Plasma Cannon section of the AV spreadsheet as I was going over it.
It has been corrected.
I highly recommend not using the previous spreadsheet for the PLC as a balancing guide.
I also recommend using the galmando for general attack. at galmando 5, with rapid reload 5, the PLC maxes out at 805 DPS.
that reload speed is the key.
For those looking at the numbers the PLC derived DPS numbers show over 1000. these numbers do not take into account that the PLC is a oneshot, and needs to be reloaded each time. it only accounts for the charge time. the correct number to look for is the sustained DPS on the far right of the spreadsheet model, right before PG/CPU costs.
I cannot recommend buffs to the PLC so long as the commando role bonus remains reload speed.
For those of you who cannot do math I included the Minmatar commando damage breakdown.
DPS advantage: 3.8%
Sustained DPS advantage (long term DPS including reloads): 14% DPS advantage.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:35:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I was worried about this, particularly because the Plasma Cannon is the most extreme example where reload spead has a significant effect on sustained DPS. Honestly the PLC feels *almost* right on a Gallmando....but given how much of a DPS buff it's getting from its role bonuses, I can see how people NOT in a Gallmando suit are feeling that it's underpowered.
if it gets a tweak, it'll be very slight to the charge time
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:45:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:See now why I wanted to standardize PLC charge at .45s, change operation to 3% reload per level, and up the damage by a tier? It's essentially what the galmando does to the weapon.
Oh believe me, I see it.
Commandos have to be reworked in order to make the PLC independently viable.
Did you see the numbers on the minmando?
That's why I assert that the minmando explosive bonus is a purely psychological advantage
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.14 06:21:00 -
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Bumping to make sure rattati sees this
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.14 07:10:00 -
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Ok never mind I know what I screwed up.
Two nights ago I was sleep deprived and exhausted from work trying to squeeze a little more DPS out of the PLC.
Put the reload speeds I wanted in the wrong column like a dumbass.
So yeah.
Wut?
Never claimed to be perfect.
Just awesome.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.14 07:54:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Cat Merc wrote:I dunno.
A Galmando is a slowass and large unit, that has to move to fairly close quarters (60m MAX) to engage a tank with a PLC. Slow, large, and relatively squishy, against a tank well within its optimal range, doesn't blend well.
I don't think a PLC Galmando would be a problem, especially when you compare the amount of skill required to use it compared to other AV options. It's also the only AV main weapon that can't effectively deal with dropships without high amounts of luck.
It's the highest risk and highest skill AV option, and as such making it do LOLWTF amounts of damage in the right hands sounds about right. Yet A certain Commando with a certain weapon can still out DPS a maxed out PLC and Galmando with a fire and forget no skill weapon.
Hey kirk.
I did the math. The math is in my sig.
Minmando does 3.6% more damage than a assault with 3 mods.
Sustained DPS (reloading) is 14%.
Go spew falsehoods elsewhere.
The minmando is a psychological advantage, not a real one.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.14 08:06:00 -
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Don't you threaten me. I give a rat's ass What you think of me. And there's nothing you can do TO me that I give a crap about.. so stow it. I'll talk to you the way I talk to everyone else who spreads anecdote as evidence.
But the swarms alone do that DPS. You vomiting MINMANDO! MINMANDO! THE SKY IS FALLING!
that crap covers the actual problem. So if you don't want me to call you out have the good sense to get your facts straight before you sh*tpost.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.14 08:29:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:lol I'm sensing an ego problem in the area.
nah.
I just don't take anyone seriously after they cite the minmando when it's the actual WEAPON that is the source of headaches.
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Goonfeet
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:42:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:A guy that doesn't play the game getting this much say...
What say, numbnuts?
I can make suggestions and if rattati finds them reasonable he might use them.
OMG AVspiracy to ruin DUST just for you.
I don't *have* any say, any more than you do.
I was pointing out that I had a math error on the current AV values breakdown. I have no idea if it made it into his notes.
Wanted to make sure Rattati didn't miss it and accidentally overbuff the PLC.
Despite the thought of Cat Merc and Pokey diving on you with plasma cannons screaming "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW???"
I figure if the thought tickles me that much it's probably bad for game balance.
So.
Have you come to be constructive, or can we expect your usual raft of sh*tposting?
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