DUST Search - No More. CCP, this needs addressing immediately.

Georgia Xavier wrote:

Edau Skir2 wrote:

Screw player trading, making PC better, Planet raids and all that elitist rubbish.

You need to address the matchmaking issues. I've been playing on my alt tonight as my main capped out, and this alt has 700k sp. Nothing. Every time I see someone, it's always the same full proto losers who get their kicks from killing players with low sp.

You need a separate lobby. Once battle academy finishes, we get thrown into this cesspit of morons, the power-hungry, and otherwise better players. Is my 700k Scr toting MLT suit with mlt mods going to win? NO. Because the tryhards run proto all the time because they feel powerful in it. Which in itself is god damn pathetic.

There needs to be an intermediate between Battle Academy and this diabolical mess. A place where people under say, 20mil sp can actually play a game where the big corp tryhard proto stompers can't actually play.

This is why so many people don't continue to play. This is why your fanbase is so low. This is why people think you couldn't care about new players, because you're focused on the elitist crap that will make your vets happy.

How about matchmaking according to your equipment's level? everyone will have the same level of equipment or atleast very similarly leveled. just suggesting.....

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Edau Skir2 Mithril Forge E-R-A 464	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:00:00 - [1] - Quote Screw player trading, making PC better, Planet raids and all that elitist rubbish. You need to address the matchmaking issues. I've been playing on my alt tonight as my main capped out, and this alt has 700k sp. Nothing. Every time I see someone, it's always the same full proto losers who get their kicks from killing players with low sp. You need a separate lobby. Once battle academy finishes, we get thrown into this cesspit of morons, the power-hungry, and otherwise better players. Is my 700k Scr toting MLT suit with mlt mods going to win? NO. Because the tryhards run proto all the time because they feel powerful in it. Which in itself is god damn pathetic. There needs to be an intermediate between Battle Academy and this diabolical mess. A place where people under say, 20mil sp can actually play a game where the big corp tryhard proto stompers can't actually play. This is why so many people don't continue to play. This is why your fanbase is so low. This is why people think you couldn't care about new players, because you're focused on the elitist crap that will make your vets happy. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 within the week!
Georgia Xavier Redblade Clan 3	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:08:00 - [2] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Screw player trading, making PC better, Planet raids and all that elitist rubbish. You need to address the matchmaking issues. I've been playing on my alt tonight as my main capped out, and this alt has 700k sp. Nothing. Every time I see someone, it's always the same full proto losers who get their kicks from killing players with low sp. You need a separate lobby. Once battle academy finishes, we get thrown into this cesspit of morons, the power-hungry, and otherwise better players. Is my 700k Scr toting MLT suit with mlt mods going to win? NO. Because the tryhards run proto all the time because they feel powerful in it. Which in itself is god damn pathetic. There needs to be an intermediate between Battle Academy and this diabolical mess. A place where people under say, 20mil sp can actually play a game where the big corp tryhard proto stompers can't actually play. This is why so many people don't continue to play. This is why your fanbase is so low. This is why people think you couldn't care about new players, because you're focused on the elitist crap that will make your vets happy. How about matchmaking according to your equipment's level? everyone will have the same level of equipment or atleast very similarly leveled. just suggesting.....
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 209	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:12:00 - [3] - Quote Still thinking acedemy neets to be made longer. 0-10k WP basic academy as is now. 10-25k WP advanced academy with skirmish and dom. 25-50k WP elite academy with skirm/dom/ambush. Something along these lines. Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit Pilot & Saboteur
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 197	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:12:00 - [4] - Quote They dont care as long ad people keep spending money they will not fix the game. They will continue to monatiz everything and **** on the players who gives accurate criticism/feedback on what needs to be fixed. I have said from day 1 proto in pubs will kill the playerbase and it did. This game has a very small fraction of players compared to what it could have. Yet ccp contines to shoot themselves in the foot and creating bad PR for future endeavors. the scrambler rifle in its current state is a perfect example of CCPs incompetence. They acknowledge its over performing but not enough people use it so we wont fix it, real logical isn't it?
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2862	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:13:00 - [5] - Quote Umm there hasn't been a single change yet that's been oriented towards "vets". Please, name one. Every update since 1.9 is CCP trying new ways to milk money out of the game via Aurum. Matchmaking is the way it is because the player numbers are so low. There's nothing you can do about matchmaking when your sample size is as low as it is. So called "proto stompers" have nothing to do in this game besides queue for pubs. PC is a single scheduled match that happens only as much as your corp is attacking/being attacked. FW is a joke with insane queues. Basically, the old addages "deal with it", "get good", "QQ moar", etc all apply here. CCP isn't going to fix matchmaking because that requires development, and any development that isn't selling more Aurum is going to be ignored. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 90	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:13:00 - [6] - Quote Something does need to be done for the sake of the newer players, who have little chance standing off their opponents in militia/basic gear. I believe a duplicate of the current game modes where squads aren't allowed, would help with the 'proto stomping' problem. Still though, I wouldn't undermine the changes in upcoming updates - those will make a difference, especially with the creation of a player driven economy in Dust. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
maluble Art.of.Death VP Gaming Alliance 197	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:14:00 - [7] - Quote Im a vet with 70 mil sp and i am far from happy with the state of this game.
pumping up Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 209	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:14:00 - [8] - Quote Georgia Xavier wrote: Edau Skir2 wrote: Screw player trading, making PC better, Planet raids and all that elitist rubbish. You need to address the matchmaking issues. I've been playing on my alt tonight as my main capped out, and this alt has 700k sp. Nothing. Every time I see someone, it's always the same full proto losers who get their kicks from killing players with low sp. You need a separate lobby. Once battle academy finishes, we get thrown into this cesspit of morons, the power-hungry, and otherwise better players. Is my 700k Scr toting MLT suit with mlt mods going to win? NO. Because the tryhards run proto all the time because they feel powerful in it. Which in itself is god damn pathetic. There needs to be an intermediate between Battle Academy and this diabolical mess. A place where people under say, 20mil sp can actually play a game where the big corp tryhard proto stompers can't actually play. This is why so many people don't continue to play. This is why your fanbase is so low. This is why people think you couldn't care about new players, because you're focused on the elitist crap that will make your vets happy. How about matchmaking according to your equipment's level? everyone will have the same level of equipment or atleast very similarly leveled. just suggesting..... Equipment level can be changed on the fly. that's why we need meta lockout. Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit Pilot & Saboteur
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17143	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote Always see this vitriol and I always have the same answer. It's not that they run Proto to feel powerful.....well some might..... it's that its the logical choice. Do you have the SP? = You betcha Do you have the ISK? = Buckets of it Are you responsible for your opponents enjoyment? = Nope You can try to be responsible for it until it starts impacting on your personal enjoyment....... at which point I ask you? Who is more important to you? "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 5310	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:22:00 - [10] - Quote Screw PC make Fw worth it. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!! The Incursions are back... and they're golden baby!

Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 515	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:25:00 - [11] - Quote I say there needs to be a militia grade match mode, or meta level controlled. But everyone would whine anyway, seems like there it always something to cry about. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Edau Skir2 Mithril Forge E-R-A 465	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:26:00 - [12] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Always see this vitriol and I always have the same answer. It's not that they run Proto to feel powerful.....well some might..... it's that its the logical choice. Do you have the SP? = You betcha Do you have the ISK? = Buckets of it Are you responsible for your opponents enjoyment? = Nope You can try to be responsible for it until it starts impacting on your personal enjoyment....... at which point I ask you? Who is more important to you? I dare you to run full mlt in pubs for the next month. All day everyday. Only then will you have a valid opinion because you're clearly one of the proto stompers. No other game in the history of ever has matchmaking this terrible. Squads: Broken mechanic that's being exploited. Proto: Broken tactic that's being exploited. And people like you do both. No you're not playing for our enjoyment, but ccp should damn well sure have it firmly at the front of their minds. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 within the week!
Funkmaster Whale Whale Pod 2862	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:27:00 - [13] - Quote Meta level lockout isn't going to teach noobs to play the game. Organized squads that spam uplinks and work together are still going to dominate regardless of what gear they have. People scapegoat "proto gear" because they assume that proto is automatic win. Proto gear responds the same as any other gear when you get a shotgun to the back, sniped in the head, blown up with an RE, or whatever else. Instead of crying about the enemy that's better than you, why not try tactics to counter them? You won't win every game, and if that makes you angry enough to come cry on the forums then maybe you should turn off the game and go outside. Follow me on Twitch.tv!
G Felix Terminus Defense Force 563	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:31:00 - [14] - Quote Matchmaking sounds good, but the math starts to get ugly, and fast. There simply isn't ever more than 3,000 of us playing at once, and most often much less. Just adding different lobbies with gear restrictions is one way to address it, but this will mean FW wait times across the board as it fractures the player base further and further. It really does make me think about all the calls for tiericide waaaay back in early Uprising... Dust can be frustrating. (Gò»°Gûí°)Gò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+)
Edau Skir2 Mithril Forge E-R-A 465	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:36:00 - [15] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: Meta level lockout isn't going to teach noobs to play the game. Organized squads that spam uplinks and work together are still going to dominate regardless of what gear they have. People scapegoat "proto gear" because they assume that proto is automatic win. Proto gear responds the same as any other gear when you get a shotgun to the back, sniped in the head, blown up with an RE, or whatever else. Instead of crying about the enemy that's better than you, why not try tactics to counter them? You won't win every game, and if that makes you angry enough to come cry on the forums then maybe you should turn off the game and go outside. Quite literally no one cares that you're not enjoying the game. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, nor did you bother reading the op. Firstly, I'm playing on a low sp Alt, and getting massacred. Secondly, when I play my main, because he's got better gear and higher skills, I top the board a lot. So in conclusion, yes, proto gear DOES make the difference. A proto sentinel with resists to weapons, with pro mods and weapons. It's forum warrior douchebag bags like you that want people to believe otherwise. Power trips. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 within the week!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 17145	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:48:00 - [16] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Always see this vitriol and I always have the same answer. It's not that they run Proto to feel powerful.....well some might..... it's that its the logical choice. Do you have the SP? = You betcha Do you have the ISK? = Buckets of it Are you responsible for your opponents enjoyment? = Nope You can try to be responsible for it until it starts impacting on your personal enjoyment....... at which point I ask you? Who is more important to you? I dare you to run full mlt in pubs for the next month. All day everyday. Only then will you have a valid opinion because you're clearly one of the proto stompers. No other game in the history of ever has matchmaking this terrible. Squads: Broken mechanic that's being exploited. Proto: Broken tactic that's being exploited. And people like you do both. No you're not playing for our enjoyment, but ccp should damn well sure have it firmly at the front of their minds. Dude I don't play Dust any more and I have enough self imposed restrictions using only Amarrian gear, etc. I have however have and did use a great deal of Militia and Standard BPO gear in my career as a tanker. I mean honestly my thing back before the 1.7 tank changes was using "The Little Soma that Could" to beat down on higher tier tanks. I was also a very dedicated FW player and honestly have spent countless hours in Amarr FW. Honestly as a player whose view of the game was built on FW during what I consider to be the most competitive months of the Amarr/Min zone I don't like to pull my punches regardless of who I am up against. But as I mentioned before.... I don't consider myself responsible for your enjoyment. This is not because I'm a callous individual whose sole purpose is to make other peoples game play less than fun but instead because what you find enjoyable is not necessarily what I find enjoyable. When I pursue my own enjoyment I directly conflict with your own be it using a specific weapon to kill you, or winning the match, or using a specific tactic. You are more than entitled to your view on squads and Proto gear but I am not, or was not, really a Public Match Oriented individual. I personally like to think that in FW you need to come a bit more competitively minded and organised or you should expect nothing.... also its more fun in a squad anyway. "This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
Edau Skir2 Mithril Forge E-R-A 467	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:52:00 - [17] - Quote Right, but before all of this got heated and the absolute tossers came out of the woodwork, my point is that something needs to happen to give newer player with low sp a fighting chance. I mean, for god sake, my low sp Alt just got thrown against a Gallicus q-sync, as if the night hadn't rubbed enough salt in the wound already. I'd go back to my main to avoid such an issue, and just let my alt cook away on passive, but with my main having capped out already, what's the point? There's just no room for sp progression if you're a newer player. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 within the week!
Chimichanga66605 Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 327	Posted - 2015.02.12 23:59:00 - [18] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: True Adamance wrote: Always see this vitriol and I always have the same answer. It's not that they run Proto to feel powerful.....well some might..... it's that its the logical choice. Do you have the SP? = You betcha Do you have the ISK? = Buckets of it Are you responsible for your opponents enjoyment? = Nope You can try to be responsible for it until it starts impacting on your personal enjoyment....... at which point I ask you? Who is more important to you? I dare you to run full mlt in pubs for the next month. All day everyday. Only then will you have a valid opinion because you're clearly one of the proto stompers. No other game in the history of ever has matchmaking this terrible. Squads: Broken mechanic that's being exploited. Proto: Broken tactic that's being exploited. And people like you do both. No you're not playing for our enjoyment, but ccp should damn well sure have it firmly at the front of their minds. I'm one of those "Proto Stompers" & you why I do it? Cuz I can. Ego aside, when I'm not "Proto Stomping" with my Stomp Buddies I'm in MLT-STD gear & you know what? I still kick the crap outta MLT-PRO Mercs. Wanna know why? 60 mill SP, that's why. Been here a long time & played the same matches a thousand times over. Experience is what makes us OP, not gear...well, the gear helps. inb4 Chimi sucks & isn't that good, whatev I'm drunk as **** half the time I play...other "Proto Stompers" make this game frustrating. Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist "Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Cyzad4 Blackfish Corp. 624	Posted - 2015.02.13 00:06:00 - [19] - Quote The fact that this is even still a conversation what 3 years on? is ridiculous. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
echo47 Sacrilege of Fatal Arms 277	Posted - 2015.02.13 00:15:00 - [20] - Quote Sick of people blaming gear and sp for losses. There are other factors involved. I have been way too many matches with horrible game play causing losses. No uplinks, no AV, no attempts to flank. When there are uplinks they are all on roof tops. Players who start in the redline and never leave. Matches based on gear or sp will not change a thing. You will still see the same behavior. There is no incentive to put it all on the line to win. I would rather see squad based and no squad based matches with squad based matches getting a higher payout and greater eom rewards. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.

Edau Skir2 Mithril Forge E-R-A 468	Posted - 2015.02.13 00:23:00 - [21] - Quote echo47 wrote: Sick of people blaming gear and sp for losses. There are other factors involved. I have been way too many matches with horrible game play causing losses. No uplinks, no AV, no attempts to flank. When there are uplinks they are all on roof tops. Players who start in the redline and never leave. Matches based on gear or sp will not change a thing. You will still see the same behavior. There is no incentive to put it all on the line to win. I would rather see squad based and no squad based matches with squad based matches getting a higher payout and greater eom rewards. Well if ever ccp decide to ever act on this (Which I'm getting the impression will be never) and we do get a game mode for newer players, meta lock, no squads, whatever, we'll see if it's actually any different. I'm not blaming pro gear for a Defeat on the eom screen, frankly don't care about eom screen, I'm saying newer players who have no choice but to run militia, do not stand a chance against proto users. Remember being new? Crappy starter isk, so you've got to run all your battle academy matches making some, just so you can get to Light Weapon level 1 or (Race/Size) Dropsuit Level 1. By the time you've got those, you then need to make the money in Pubs for whatever you've skilled up, and to gain more sp. Going up against proto users constantly, getting massacred constantly....the isk/sp payouts for them are horrible. I'm willing to bet that's why 90% of new players leave and never come back. It's such a massive problem, and I can't grasp why proto users don't see it as such. Logistics mk.0 / Logibro's Modified Logistics mk.0 within the week!
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 957	Posted - 2015.02.13 00:36:00 - [22] - Quote Edau Skir2 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: Meta level lockout isn't going to teach noobs to play the game. Organized squads that spam uplinks and work together are still going to dominate regardless of what gear they have. People scapegoat "proto gear" because they assume that proto is automatic win. Proto gear responds the same as any other gear when you get a shotgun to the back, sniped in the head, blown up with an RE, or whatever else. Instead of crying about the enemy that's better than you, why not try tactics to counter them? You won't win every game, and if that makes you angry enough to come cry on the forums then maybe you should turn off the game and go outside. Quite literally no one cares that you're not enjoying the game. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, nor did you bother reading the op. Firstly, I'm playing on a low sp Alt, and getting massacred. Secondly, when I play my main, because he's got better gear and higher skills, I top the board a lot. So in conclusion, yes, proto gear DOES make the difference. A proto sentinel with resists to weapons, with pro mods and weapons. It's forum warrior douchebags like you that want people to believe otherwise. Power trips. oh sh*et he tops the board a lot. Framerate>everything else
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 2077	Posted - 2015.02.13 00:39:00 - [23] - Quote Buffing PC engagement means nerfing protostompers. The people who protostomp after raiding and the likes are introduced shall then be deemed pathetic. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V


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