Don't buff the AV. They are FINE as is. They require coordination and that is FINE.
It should NOT go back to Lone Wolf, Low-SP, AV'rs able to hold off entire tank groups.
I have to coordinate to engage and disengage to survive. The other side needs to do
the same. They should NOT expect to kill me every engagement and if you do so
balance it that way, you need to cut the price MORE for our vehicles.

you are forgetting the current tanks are milita/basic when proto tanks return do you want it to take a whole team to destroy one

should work like

basic av can destroy basic tank with some challenge
advanced av destroy basic tank with some effort
proto av destroy basic tank with ease

basic av destroy advanced tank with difficulty
advanced av destroy advanced tank with some challenge
proto av destroys advanced tank with some effort

basic av destroy proto tank very difficult
advanced av destroy proto tank with with difficulty
proto av destroy proto tank with some challenge

similar theory for all vehicles

it cant take 3-4 players off the map to kill 1 vehicle that is very unfair/unbalanced at least with a 16 vs 16 match. 100 vs 100 would be a different story. I understand risk vs reward and that tanks are expensive but if it takes 4 av users to destroy 1 basic shield tank what happens when proto tanks are reintroduced? 4 shield tanks = win?

should a hav, lav or dropship be able to one shot infantry if infantry cant 1 shot the pilot?

and pilots dont have that effect on infantry now?

Vehicles are already immune to most weapons in the game, and youre saying "Its their fault that they died to a vehicle because they werent pidgeonholing themselves into AV"

Look man....I was in 3 matches last night where the raspberry team called in THREE assault dropships, totally proto everything and shield hardeners and all they did was circle around the domination objective dropping ordinance.

There were 4 players with swarms and myself and another guy with forges and not one dropship was blown up...every time they'd get hit, they'd fly so far up and out of range and shield boost and then come back down while the other two swarmed around.

4 swarm launchers and 2 forge guns couldn't take out even ONE of them...and you're saying wah don't buff AV it'll hurt dropshipssssssssss

Seems to me like Dropships need to be dealt with like tanks...the vehicles in this game are overpowered x10, they were GOOD in 1.6 and now in Warlords 1.0, they're not as bad as Uprising 1.7/1.8 but they're still bad.

If someone dies to a vehicle, they weren't very aware of their surroundings. When I'm screwing around in my commando (no swarms, swarms are for scrubs... The bad kind of Scrubs) and I see anything other than an LAV I check to see if it has guns and if it does, I either shoot the gunner, or I hide and wait for it to go away. Vehicles can't magically kill you, they have to shoot you.



Then your team either needs to tippy toe around trying not to out in the open when the vehicles are near, or they need to bring out a militia vehicle (don't tell me they're useless I run a militia fit Sica and I have also run a state gunni on a character that has no points in vehicles & I can tell you they do the business!)

Yes you have to work harder because you're not specced into it... But then if I'm specced into vehicles and not infantry, I have to work twice as hard if I want to get into the objective in an assault suit.

There's also the option of your team working together to bring out the starter fit swarms. Trust me when I tell you this, 3 - 6 people firing those at your protato tank can take it out.


My point being, if you're unlucky don't plan well enough to bring high level AV with you, you are going to have to be at a disadvantage, as you should be for neglecting a role.

if 4 swarms and 2 forges couldn't kill one ADS then yeah, I'd say that gets a nomination for worst AV players in the game.