DUST Search - Announcement:Warlords 1.0 Hotfix: 12.2.2015

Vrain Matari wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

Greiv Rabbah wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

voidfaction wrote:

Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?"

Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds...

If a 15 minute penalty to get in a match is added, there needs to be a lot more to do while waiting: warbarge social space, warbarge table, player market, MCC staging area etc.

The whole point to such a penalty is that you're supposed to actually be playing the match during that time.

I'd say make it an ISK penalty: we're mercs signing contracts for specific battles with specific objectives.

In the New Eden i know we'd be posting bonds guaranteeing satisfactory performance to the contracting corporation. The bond would be refundable if a player didn't press the 'Leave Battle' button.

The bond mechanic should kick in at the same point a player becomes a vet: when in-match sp payouts switch from being time-in-match based to performance-based.

If a merc doesn't have the ISK corps will loan it, but if the merc quits the match the corps will garnish all subsequent earnings until the balance is reduced to zero(if we want to be soft-hearted they could garnish only a %age of earnings).

250,000 ISK seems reasonable for the bond value.

With a bond mechanic the merc still has the freedom and volition to quit a match when they decide to, yet still be able to keep on playing/paying for DUST.

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voidfaction Nos Nothi 1134	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:10:00 - [61] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... I like the 15 min penalty idea. will help when I awox matches so those I want to lose will be locked out of matches for 15 min if they leave when I am on there team.
Mexxx Dust-Slayer Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 291	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:12:00 - [62] - Quote Reset the damn SP cap already. 2 days overdue.
Ripley Riley Incorruptibles 7762	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:19:00 - [63] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... Yes. Why we don't have some kind of leave penalty already is strange to me. 15 minutes might be high though. Maybe 5 - 10 minutes? "You don't want McSyphilis. Don't nobody want McSyphilis." - One Eyed King
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1134	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:38:00 - [64] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... Yes. Why we don't have some kind of leave penalty already is strange to me. 15 minutes might be high though. Maybe 5 - 10 minutes? With a penalty it will just get more people ruberbanding matches after 150 wp if they have a penalty. Nobody wants to stay in a proto stomp but better to ruberband and get little then to leave and get timed penalty.
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 333	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:55:00 - [65] - Quote Opened a crate and salvaged 38 Pyrus Forge Guns. It may have gotten through :s No biggie though. CEO of Horizons' Edge's mercenary division *My soul, your beats!* Enemy to many; equal to none.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5806	Posted - 2015.02.12 14:59:00 - [66] - Quote Greiv Rabbah wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... If a 15 minute penalty to get in a match is added, there needs to be a lot more to do while waiting: warbarge social space, warbarge table, player market, MCC staging area etc. The whole point to such a penalty is that you're supposed to actually be playing the match during that time. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15109	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:02:00 - [67] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Greiv Rabbah wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... If a 15 minute penalty to get in a match is added, there needs to be a lot more to do while waiting: warbarge social space, warbarge table, player market, MCC staging area etc. The whole point to such a penalty is that you're supposed to actually be playing the match during that time. That would be fine and dandy in a perfect world, but it isn't. DUST is not the most stable of games, people who simply didn't want to play with extreme rubber banding will be penalized for it, or the dreaded internal error will forcefully take them out and then force them to wait. I can deal with a 5 minutes penalty, but 15 minutes is too much. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15109	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:03:00 - [68] - Quote So I got 502 components from a stronkbox. Is that intended? I thought it's only supposed to drop 1000/2000/3000? Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1195	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:07:00 - [69] - Quote This is all really nice and all... But I just opened a box and got 'Pyrus' Nova Knives x 42. Standard aur gear. Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 12048	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:10:00 - [70] - Quote ALERT! A friend of mine just told me they got 'Pyrus' Nova Knives x 42 out of a box. The standard AUR gear still lurks in those boxes. EDIT: Another friend reports finding 'Siren' Flux Grenades from a box PANIC! Support 'Keshava' for the new Gallente HAV name in honor of Cat Merc's cat which recently passed away.

Terry Webber Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 578	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:11:00 - [71] - Quote Great hotfix, Rattati!
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 2488	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:13:00 - [72] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Greiv Rabbah wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... If a 15 minute penalty to get in a match is added, there needs to be a lot more to do while waiting: warbarge social space, warbarge table, player market, MCC staging area etc. The whole point to such a penalty is that you're supposed to actually be playing the match during that time. I'd say make it an ISK penalty: we're mercs signing contracts for specific battles with specific objectives. In the New Eden i know we'd be posting bonds guaranteeing satisfactory performance to the contracting corporation. The bond would be refundable if a player didn't press the 'Leave Battle' button. The bond mechanic should kick in at the same point a player becomes a vet: when in-match sp payouts switch from being time-in-match based to performance-based. If a merc doesn't have the ISK corps will loan it, but if the merc quits the match the corps will garnish all subsequent earnings until the balance is reduced to zero(if we want to be soft-hearted they could garnish only a %age of earnings). 250,000 ISK seems reasonable for the bond value. PSN: RationalSpark
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15112	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:15:00 - [73] - Quote I got 'Siren' Flux Grenades, and a few others in squad chat told me they got some STD gear as well. Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1534	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:20:00 - [74] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ALERT! A friend of mine just told me they got 'Pyrus' Nova Knives x 42 out of a box. The standard AUR gear still lurks in those boxes. EDIT: Another friend reports finding 'Siren' Flux Grenades from a box PANIC! I got pyrus knives aswell One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
Greiv Rabbah 13Art of War13 63	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:22:00 - [75] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Greiv Rabbah wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... If a 15 minute penalty to get in a match is added, there needs to be a lot more to do while waiting: warbarge social space, warbarge table, player market, MCC staging area etc. The whole point to such a penalty is that you're supposed to actually be playing the match during that time. Yeah sry I was half asleep and didn't catch that it only applied to if you leave a match. Still, before each match we should be in a warbarge IMO. Like how it was vbefore CCP hid the warbarges, but also with the table being brought back, except that I'd like to go to more places than just the lobby of the warbarge, like id like to do a couple things tgat tge first loik video for dust laid out years ago that wed be able to do that we still cant. Thats right, years. Its been years already mercs and we still dont even have the first handful of things that were supposed to be in this game. Think about that
Greiv Rabbah 13Art of War13 63	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:26:00 - [76] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Greiv Rabbah wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... If a 15 minute penalty to get in a match is added, there needs to be a lot more to do while waiting: warbarge social space, warbarge table, player market, MCC staging area etc. The whole point to such a penalty is that you're supposed to actually be playing the match during that time. I'd say make it an ISK penalty: we're mercs signing contracts for specific battles with specific objectives. In the New Eden i know we'd be posting bonds guaranteeing satisfactory performance to the contracting corporation. The bond would be refundable if a player didn't press the 'Leave Battle' button. The bond mechanic should kick in at the same point a player becomes a vet: when in-match sp payouts switch from being time-in-match based to performance-based. If a merc doesn't have the ISK corps will loan it, but if the merc quits the match the corps will garnish all subsequent earnings until the balance is reduced to zero(if we want to be soft-hearted they could garnish only a %age of earnings). 250,000 ISK seems reasonable for the bond value. With a bond mechanic the merc still has the freedom and volition to quit a match when they decide to, yet still be able to keep on playing/paying for DUST. This is simple, to the point, and has good reasoning for lore purposes. Thumbs up.
voidfaction Nos Nothi 1134	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:27:00 - [77] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Greiv Rabbah wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... If a 15 minute penalty to get in a match is added, there needs to be a lot more to do while waiting: warbarge social space, warbarge table, player market, MCC staging area etc. The whole point to such a penalty is that you're supposed to actually be playing the match during that time. Balance the matches and I would be playing not ruberbanding the sticks together. Your not going to get me to try harder by rewarding proto stomping in pubs. that makes me try less.
Greiv Rabbah 13Art of War13 63	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:33:00 - [78] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: CCP Frame wrote: Oh, and we deployed a small gift to you all. Simply complete 1 mission and receive 10 keys today. https://i.imgur.com/eRlAxOL.gif My approval. Have it. Also my firstborn kitten. Its a trap. Strongboxes are still all full of STDs. The real gift from the devs is that the SP lockout hasn't been fixed still but 1/3 of the missions are sp based
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 1329	Posted - 2015.02.12 15:38:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Frame wrote: Oh, and we deployed a small gift to you all. Simply complete 1 mission and receive 10 keys today. Fan-freaking-tastic! I was bummed that I was missing out on this weekends redo. I'm going to be skiing all weekend, so this little goodie makes me a very happy Tuesdays! Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6629	Posted - 2015.02.12 16:07:00 - [80] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... I understand the need, but with respect, the guys leaving matches are the guys who are tired of being beat down match after lopsided match. I don't know that "the stick" is the best way to motivate a beat down player. Current Model Regular Merc is put into an Ambush match vs Kaizuka Sniper +5. Unless there's a super-stomp-squad on our guy's side (and there often isn't), he is guaranteed to get steamrolled. If he decides to try to fight, he'll have to run basic gear or else he's guaranteed to lose significant Isk. Our guy is playing to complete Missions, make Isk and have fun. He will do none of these this match, and has decent odds of not even meeting Min(WP). He has every reason to leave battle. Stick Model So our Merc leaves match. Waits 15 minutes. Gets into another match. Turns out Kaizuka Sniper and Company just wrapped their protostomp, and Scotty puts our guy up against them again. Decent odds that CCP just lost a customer. Repeat the process and increase those odds. Can anyone think of a "Carrot Model" instead? Assuming changes to matchmaking are off the table, how can we motivate Regular Mercs to stay and fight when Scotty puts them up against impossible odds? Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley

Kain Spero Negative-Feedback. 4595	Posted - 2015.02.12 16:35:00 - [81] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... I would say if you voluntarily leave a battle you should get a full loss on your record no matter the outcome and no ISK/SP at the very least. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1196	Posted - 2015.02.12 16:49:00 - [82] - Quote Also, I have to say, great timing on doing this "special mission" on a day of PSN maintenance, I can't foresee that causing any issues at all... Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
Slen Kaleth Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 119	Posted - 2015.02.12 17:39:00 - [83] - Quote My "Win 1 battle" award today was 10 keys, a mistake?
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 980	Posted - 2015.02.12 17:53:00 - [84] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: voidfaction wrote: Now the question is "do i proto stomp or do I just leave match until i get in match that is winning?" Do we really need to implement a leave 15 min penalty like Battlegrounds... There's a conceptual issue with mu: Assume my mu is underrated. I enter matches, rock the boat, my mu is adjusted upwards. Matches become well-adjusted. Assume my mu is overrated. I enter matches, they suck, I leave before the match finishes. What happens to my mu? Option A: Nothing. Until I sit down and get killed a bunch of times my mu will always be overrated and matches will always suck. Option B: My mu is reduced. I now have the power to manipulate my mu by leaving tons of matches early so I can forever harvest new players. There's a thing here about adjusting mu based on performance per second in the game I think, relative to the added mu of the enemy team and the rest of my own team, but it's too late for me to figure it out properly today. [Edit] By the way, super-awesome Hotfix. Continue.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 6631	Posted - 2015.02.12 17:55:00 - [85] - Quote @ Stefan I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Rattati mentioning that Mu would be negatively impacted by leaving battle. The discussion occurred when Rattati introduced us to Mu; should be in development archive. Shoot scout with yes. - Ripley Riley
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 981	Posted - 2015.02.12 18:14:00 - [86] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Stefan I could be wrong, but I seem to recall Rattati mentioning that Mu would be negatively impacted by leaving battle. The discussion occurred when Rattati introduced us to Mu; should be in development archive. Edit: Found the post! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2323825#post2323825 Edit II: After rereading, I stand corrected; Mu is affected by win or by loss, but not by leaving match. Thanks for digging that up. This may be a reason why some people have been complaining about matchmaking. If you stay in matches you win but leave matches you are losing your mu will inflate and your matchmaking experience will deteriorate. On my pilot alt I noticed that my win/loss ratio has been increasing, too. This appears to be because I leave matches where the enemy team has railgun-superiority, which often coincides with them being the winning team. This behavior would likely have contributed to the inflation of mu that I believe to have observed on that alt. (I leave matches with too many enemy rail-HAVs because I can't afford to destroy several DS a match. One or two is ok, but they come in at ~200k ISK each. When matches sometimes only pay 100k ISK because mCRUs are still bugged this is difficult to maintain. I don't have the time to do infantry-work when I'm looking to fly DS. I don't think my pilot with 0 SP in infantry skills would be able to contribute much anyhow.)
DDx77 The Exemplars RISE of LEGION 125	Posted - 2015.02.12 18:35:00 - [87] - Quote Great job, thank you Only feedback I have is looking into changing the augmented ammunition thingie into something else. I think it would be better overall if you could put that 5% towards a core skill. Ie: sprint speed ,hacking, or scan dampening You could allow a respect that costs more components each time you use it or aurum if you'd like a different skill boosted. Boosting : Allowing the server to protect people from other countries from taking damage
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 22111	Posted - 2015.02.12 19:17:00 - [88] - Quote applause The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision.
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 679	Posted - 2015.02.12 19:24:00 - [89] - Quote Lord Vader will like this very much. :) MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
The-Errorist 1044	Posted - 2015.02.12 19:31:00 - [90] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: ALERT! A friend of mine just told me they got 'Pyrus' Nova Knives x 42 out of a box. The standard AUR gear still lurks in those boxes. EDIT: Another friend reports finding 'Siren' Flux Grenades from a box PANIC! __ Suits, Tanks, a mode



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