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al nize mk2
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Posted - 2015.02.11 07:48:00 -
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I've tried to get my head around this one - largely while imagining what a movie of Dust would look like - but how do the mercs operate with all this cloning tech.
Is the original human on his/her warbarge watching over a bunch of clones and following the deployed clone's progress via screens/hud feedback etc?
Is only the original human's personality stored on a computer and then transplanted into a different clone after each death - so no original human exists?
Do the clones look like the original individual or are they just generic and unrelated to the original personality?
Yeah.. I'm confused a bit...
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.02.11 07:58:00 -
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There's been contradictory / unsatisfactory fluff and some of it is seemingly being re-written with warlords.
In essence, we are infomorphs (beings of information, rather than beings of flesh and blood) - we throw our consciousnesses rapidly between clones as they die or wear out. According to old fluff, our clones are mass produced generics (but now with warbarges that seemingly generate their own clones for each individual mercenary.... our clones might be customized for purposes of muscle memory and stuff).
Our clones have space-metal skeletons, nanite-enhanced self-repairing bodies, suits are grafted right into them and quite frequently they're teleported straight from the warbarge to the battlefield (THIS IS VERY BAD FOR THINGS THAT ACTUALLY INTEND TO SURVIVE MORE THAN A FEW DAYS AFTER THIS).
It is possible for us to have non-combat clones which would function like regular human bodies, it is also possible for both capsuleers and immortal clone soldiers to have 'backups' should the 'good copy' die without being able to transmit information (this was a real danger for capsuleers for a long time).
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:05:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:
It is possible for us to have non-combat clones which would function like regular human bodies, it is also possible for both capsuleers and immortal clone soldiers to have 'backups' should the 'good copy' die without being able to transmit information (this was a real danger for capsuleers for a long time).
Thank you for the info there - so I guess it would be possible for a merc to have two clones running at the same time - one for just hanging around the warbarge drinking tea, the other for lobbing remotes into gaggles of heavies on the field of battle..
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Nocturnal Soul
Primordial Threat
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:10:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:
It is possible for us to have non-combat clones which would function like regular human bodies, it is also possible for both capsuleers and immortal clone soldiers to have 'backups' should the 'good copy' die without being able to transmit information (this was a real danger for capsuleers for a long time).
Thank you for the info there - so I guess it would be possible for a merc to have two clones running at the same time - one for just hanging around the warbarge drinking tea, the other for lobbing remotes into gaggles of heavies on the field of battle..
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:17:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:
It is possible for us to have non-combat clones which would function like regular human bodies, it is also possible for both capsuleers and immortal clone soldiers to have 'backups' should the 'good copy' die without being able to transmit information (this was a real danger for capsuleers for a long time).
Thank you for the info there - so I guess it would be possible for a merc to have two clones running at the same time - one for just hanging around the warbarge drinking tea, the other for lobbing remotes into gaggles of heavies on the field of battle..
That is incorrect. We only operate one body at a single time (one consciousness, many bodies). There are very very bad things that can result from operating multiple clones simultaneously (information overlap if say two died at the same time, which could screw the data up and result in very, very permanent in irreparable psychosis).
The very idea of operating multiple clones simultaneously is taboo. It is one of the few risks to your 'immortality'.
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Vargralor
Mikramurka Shock Troop
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:17:00 -
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As stated above the established Dust fluff can be a little confusing with reference to mass produced clones. Personally (and this is my own idea of the fluff not any official one) I like to think that it is much like the movie "The Sixth Day" where they have mostly completed, genetically neutral clone bodies and when a merc needs one, the body is rapidly completed via nanotech and other such advanced Sci Fi pseudo magical technology  .
With regard to the merc themselves, I would expect that much like the EVE clones the consciousness of the merc is transferred completely from one clone to the other at time of death. It is not copied but moved (hence the Amarrian religious uproar about capsuleer clones and the murky implications about whether or not the soul transfers with the consciousness when the original body is killed). This is pretty much implied in the early videos for Dust and EVE from previous Fanfests (which you can find on youtube).
Many of the stories on the EVE website have references to cloning. In some capsuleers will transfer between cloned bodies just to travel quickly across the galaxy (which happens a lot in game too). Some talk about having clones with different appearances and such as well (and you can change your appearance at whim in game too, down to skin color, tatoos and eye color) which can be explained by just creating a new clone body.
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:31:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:[quote=al nize mk2]
That is incorrect. We only operate one body at a single time (one consciousness, many bodies). There are very very bad things that can result from operating multiple clones simultaneously (information overlap if say two died at the same time, which could screw the data up and result in very, very permanent in irreparable psychosis).
The very idea of operating multiple clones simultaneously is taboo. It is one of the few risks to your 'immortality'.
Or maybe that's just what they tell you to stop you doing it? 
ps - good knowledge btw - I think I'm starting to get the picture
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:33:00 -
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Vargralor wrote:Many of the stories on the EVE website have references to cloning. In some capsuleers will transfer between cloned bodies just to travel quickly across the galaxy (which happens a lot in game too). Some talk about having clones with different appearances and such as well (and you can change your appearance at whim in game too, down to skin color, tatoos and eye color) which can be explained by just creating a new clone body. http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/
That's fascinating and thanks for the link. Once you transfer who picks up the lifeless clone after you? Some sort of caldari slave no doubt...
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.02.11 09:01:00 -
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al nize mk2 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:
The very idea of operating multiple clones simultaneously is taboo. It is one of the few risks to your 'immortality'.
Or maybe that's just what they tell you to stop you doing it? ps - good knowledge btw - I think I'm starting to get the picture
No, when they were first experimenting with the transference and storage of consciousnesses after the caldari developed/traded for the initial implants (if I remember correctly) they found out really quickly what could happen. They also found out you had to have a specific genetic marker or you could become 'mind-locked'
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Jovian_Wetgrave covers some of the bad stuff that can happen.
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
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Posted - 2015.02.11 09:04:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:al nize mk2 wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:
It is possible for us to have non-combat clones which would function like regular human bodies, it is also possible for both capsuleers and immortal clone soldiers to have 'backups' should the 'good copy' die without being able to transmit information (this was a real danger for capsuleers for a long time).
Thank you for the info there - so I guess it would be possible for a merc to have two clones running at the same time - one for just hanging around the warbarge drinking tea, the other for lobbing remotes into gaggles of heavies on the field of battle.. No
Well...not technically...at least not for a normal info-morph...Broker shenanigans, but that might be a very...very special case
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al nize mk2
No Skillz inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:00:00 -
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thanks for the link, some really interesting stuff in there. highly recommended to anyone with similar questions to mine.
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NINEinch WEAPON
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:12:00 -
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If you really want to get a few answers.. Look for the novel templar one it was written in the eve universe for the Anticipation of dust, it's not too bad, covers a bit of stuff about the cloning, and the differances from the eve clones, and dust clones. Only cost me 14 bucks.
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