DUST Search - Damage mod or higher tier weapon

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

Baal Omniscient wrote:

Ku Shala wrote:

(full skills)

Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) or 506.93dps

Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) or 497.57dps

so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive

And we have a winner, and there was a hidden grand prize of 9m ISK in it for the best answer. Congratulations Big smile

Expect your wallet to grow by 9 million ISK in the next 20 minutes Bear

It's a pretty straightforward calculation, especially when you take into account the fact that all weapons excepting AV (and NK, I think?) increase at a pretty standard rate of 5% per tier, to a 10% max. Case in point: old AR (cos I don't remember new numbers) dealt 34 damage per shot; we can extrapolate from there that the (old) GEK hit for 35.7, and that the Duvolle (which I actually do remember) hit for 37.4.

I'm pretty sure the scaling hasn't changed, though I'd have to check all the numbers to be certain.

FG (and possibly SL and PLC) increase at 10% per tie

In other words, a damage mod will allow you to equal or better the damage that simply adding a stronger weapon would grant.

You're probably better off with a better weapon and a shield extender, though.

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Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2161	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:53:00 - [1] - Quote Bored and curious so I'm outsourcing this question to those stat nerds out there. Also, I can't be asked to do the maths right now. For the purposes of this, lets stick to the 4 primary rifles. Are you better off taking a better weapon or sacrificing a shield extender for a damage module? Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Darken-Soul BIG BAD W0LVES 1952	Posted - 2015.02.09 23:56:00 - [2] - Quote Damage mod for isk. Proto for fitting. Who wants some?
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 231	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:01:00 - [3] - Quote One module gives you a little bite at the loss of potential tank. But is pure damage. Better weapon gives you that slot back. But has damage profile. Personally; I would use a better weapon and double damage modules for the gift that keeps on giving. "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 15062	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:16:00 - [4] - Quote http://i.imgur.com/c7NJRa2.gif Cat Merc for C¦¦P¦¦M¦¦9¦¦ CPM Nyan! *Vote 'Keshava' for the new Gallente vehicle name!*
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 390	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:53:00 - [5] - Quote No extender. Comp prec mod instead. Cant kill em if ya don't see em "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3156	Posted - 2015.02.10 00:55:00 - [6] - Quote Depends on the suit and it's role. Generally, I'd go for the better weapon and stack HP.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2162	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:36:00 - [7] - Quote Kinda missed the point, I'll rephrase the question in the OP too. Which does more damage? Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2162	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:40:00 - [8] - Quote Darken-Soul wrote: Damage mod for isk. Proto for fitting. Nice that you have 2 results listed, but I was going for DPS Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
axis alpha Ahrendee Mercenaries 612	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:51:00 - [9] - Quote He's not asking preference. He's asking what does more damage. Higher tier weapon or lower tier weapon with damage mod. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1220	Posted - 2015.02.10 14:54:00 - [10] - Quote (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.

axis alpha Ahrendee Mercenaries 612	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:06:00 - [11] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive Can you do the math for the same scenerio bit with a advanced arr and a proto arr? I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1222	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:09:00 - [12] - Quote SooNGäó *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Pagl1u M Dead Man's Game RUST415 1480	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:13:00 - [13] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive Can you do the math for the same scenerio bit with a advanced arr and a proto arr? can't you math it alone? here is the math: take adv arr dmg, multiply it by 1.07. See if it is more than proto arr dmg. Done One of the few assaults you'll find in a PC match!
axis alpha Ahrendee Mercenaries 614	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:20:00 - [14] - Quote Pagl1u M wrote: axis alpha wrote: Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive Can you do the math for the same scenerio bit with a advanced arr and a proto arr? can't you math it alone? here is the math: take adv arr dmg, multiply it by 1.07. See if it is more than proto arr dmg. Done sorry I'm not a math nerd bro. I obviously suck at math. Or I wouldn't ask. Just asked for a simple favor, im at work dude. And what? You can call me out but not the op? Ha. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2164	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:29:00 - [15] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Pagl1u M wrote: axis alpha wrote: Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive Can you do the math for the same scenerio bit with a advanced arr and a proto arr? can't you math it alone? here is the math: take adv arr dmg, multiply it by 1.07. See if it is more than proto arr dmg. Done sorry I'm not a math nerd bro. I obviously suck at math. Or I wouldn't ask. Just asked for a simple favor, im at work dude. And what? You can call me out but not the op? Ha. I was very upfront about my outsourcing ways. Plus, bitter vet status means other bitter vets tend to try to keep things civil unless one of them is very wrong. Or one of them is a ***. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2164	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:32:00 - [16] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) or 506.93dps Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) or 497.57dps so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive And we have a winner, and there was a hidden grand prize of 9m ISK in it for the best answer. Congratulations Expect your wallet to grow by 9 million ISK in the next 20 minutes Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Lorhak Gannarsein Nos Nothi 4265	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:40:00 - [17] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) or 506.93dps Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) or 497.57dps so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive And we have a winner, and there was a hidden grand prize of 9m ISK in it for the best answer. Congratulations Expect your wallet to grow by 9 million ISK in the next 20 minutes It's a pretty straightforward calculation, especially when you take into account the fact that all weapons excepting AV (and NK, I think?) increase at a pretty standard rate of 5% per tier, to a 10% max. Case in point: old AR (cos I don't remember new numbers) dealt 34 damage per shot; we can extrapolate from there that the (old) GEK hit for 35.7, and that the Duvolle (which I actually do remember) hit for 37.4. I'm pretty sure the scaling hasn't changed, though I'd have to check all the numbers to be certain. FG (and possibly SL and PLC) increase at 10% per tie In other words, a damage mod will allow you to equal or better the damage that simply adding a stronger weapon would grant. You're probably better off with a better weapon and a shield extender, though. Well, here goes nothing!!!
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2164	Posted - 2015.02.10 15:50:00 - [18] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) or 506.93dps Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) or 497.57dps so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive And we have a winner, and there was a hidden grand prize of 9m ISK in it for the best answer. Congratulations Expect your wallet to grow by 9 million ISK in the next 20 minutes It's a pretty straightforward calculation, especially when you take into account the fact that all weapons excepting AV (and NK, I think?) increase at a pretty standard rate of 5% per tier, to a 10% max. Case in point: old AR (cos I don't remember new numbers) dealt 34 damage per shot; we can extrapolate from there that the (old) GEK hit for 35.7, and that the Duvolle (which I actually do remember) hit for 37.4. I'm pretty sure the scaling hasn't changed, though I'd have to check all the numbers to be certain. FG (and possibly SL and PLC) increase at 10% per tie In other words, a damage mod will allow you to equal or better the damage that simply adding a stronger weapon would grant. You're probably better off with a better weapon and a shield extender, though. It is a simple calculation, gets a bit more complex when adding proficiency to the mix (except with nk's which have no profile so they get a 10% bonus to both shield and armor from their proficiency skill), I was just feeling sick to be honest and couldn't be asked. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
axis alpha Ahrendee Mercenaries 615	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:03:00 - [19] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: axis alpha wrote: Pagl1u M wrote: axis alpha wrote: Ku Shala wrote: (full skills) Basic AR with 1 complex =38.02 @72.46 cpu and 11.25 pg (not optimised) Gek = 37.3175 @29.9625 cpu and 4.5 pg ( not optimised) so the basic does more damage but is much more cpu/pg expensive Can you do the math for the same scenerio bit with a advanced arr and a proto arr? can't you math it alone? here is the math: take adv arr dmg, multiply it by 1.07. See if it is more than proto arr dmg. Done sorry I'm not a math nerd bro. I obviously suck at math. Or I wouldn't ask. Just asked for a simple favor, im at work dude. And what? You can call me out but not the op? Ha. I was very upfront about my outsourcing ways. Plus, bitter vet status means other bitter vets tend to try to keep things civil unless one of them is very wrong. Or one of them is a ****. I am a bitter vet. I've been around since replication. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2164	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:15:00 - [20] - Quote axis alpha wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: I was very upfront about my outsourcing ways. Plus, bitter vet status means other bitter vets tend to try to keep things civil unless one of them is very wrong. Or one of them is a ***. I am a bitter vet. I've been around since replication. But are you a bitter FORUM vet? I have love for anyone who's been here since Replication (that's when I started, during the first rise of the breach AR), perhaps you merely haven't spread your name around enough on the forums. I know I recognize your name, but I'll be damned if I can recall you siding heavily on one side or another over issues that come up in game.... Speaking of old players, I miss the energy some of the old fights had in here.... Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.

axis alpha Ahrendee Mercenaries 617	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:49:00 - [21] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: axis alpha wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: I was very upfront about my outsourcing ways. Plus, bitter vet status means other bitter vets tend to try to keep things civil unless one of them is very wrong. Or one of them is a ****. I am a bitter vet. I've been around since replication. But are you a bitter FORUM vet? I have love for anyone who's been here since Replication (that's when I started, during the first rise of the breach AR), perhaps you merely haven't spread your name around enough on the forums. I know I recognize your name, but I'll be damned if I can recall you siding heavily on one side or another over issues that come up in game.... Speaking of old players, I miss the energy some of the old fights had in here.... Yup your right. I could care less about my name tbh. But I hardly spoke during closed beta. There were a lot more trolls then there are today. I played, I made my point in some post didn't bother replying to the trolls. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2144	Posted - 2015.02.10 16:56:00 - [22] - Quote Being capable of basic multiplication and division is being a math nerd now? Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1224	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:16:00 - [23] - Quote SooNGäó was only because I didnt have time to check the skilled damage for the arr I Have 3 digit memory and I am "working" with extended breaks :) soo ARR full skills advanced ARR with 1 complex is 49.22 @83.94cpu and 21 pg or 492.2 dps proto ARR 48.3 @49.0875 cpu 14 pg or 483dps *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2170	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:31:00 - [24] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Being capable of basic multiplication and division is being a math nerd now? When I'm vomiting up more liquids and solids than I have consumed in the previous 24 hours and I want the answer to a math problem, yes it is. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Ku Shala UNITED MERCINARY AND PILOTS ALLIANCE 1228	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:35:00 - [25] - Quote suck back some mint tea and toast ( darker the better) *-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä (CK-0 Specialist)* Caldari Loyalist Superior technology will privale.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2170	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:37:00 - [26] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: suck back some mint tea and toast ( darker the better) I'm more the 'unsalted crackers and clear liquids' sort, but if things take another turn for the worse I'll give it a go. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
axis alpha Ahrendee Mercenaries 621	Posted - 2015.02.10 17:40:00 - [27] - Quote Ku Shala wrote: SooNGäó was only because I didnt have time to check the skilled damage for the arr I Have 3 digit memory and I am "working" with extended breaks :) soo ARR full skills advanced ARR with 1 complex is 49.22 @83.94cpu 21 pg (not optimised) or 492.2 dps proto ARR 48.3 @49.0875 cpu 14 pg (not optimised) or 483dps Ty. I'll pay you when I get home. 5 mill. ( I'm not as rich as bal sorry) I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Devadander Woodgrain Atari 234	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:43:00 - [28] - Quote AR and CR I would go module. RR and SCR I would go better rifle. "But Dev, maths..." Yeah but, I don't see any mention of racial profiles. Soooo... is there truly a correct answer? Or are we all just pixels on a screen Bonus round! Are you shooting at a sentinel? "Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever 07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 3209	Posted - 2015.02.10 21:45:00 - [29] - Quote . "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 22086	Posted - 2015.02.10 22:46:00 - [30] - Quote Honestly the difference is really negligible. The practical difference is that after something like 100 bullets, the damage modded basic will save you 1 bullet TTK over the GEK. :Bittervetting intensifies:



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