DUST Search - DS's in general needs a role buff

Godin Thekiller wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Kain Spero wrote:

I really think in order to make vehicles providing infantry mobility a thing the current state of uplinks needs to be looked at.

Uplinks overshadow transportation and mobility through vehicles in almost every way.

I agree with parts of this, uplinks have way too many spawns on them especially when combined with amarr +2 spawns per level.

The other problem is that people almost NEVER leave vehicles of their own volition, if you gave dropships a way to boot people the **** out they'd be a lot more valuable. I have flown MCRU dropships, where 6 people have spawned in and refused to leave. In a similar manner to how uplinks need to be place to funnel people towards objectives, dropships need to be able to kick people out (at low heights) so they don't just get to ride in the dropship all match but instead they have to go do something.

That does suck, and needs to be fixed. However, people has issues with redline dropping. Maybe this feature is locked when in the redline?

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Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2847	Posted - 2015.02.08 17:16:00 - [1] - Quote Over the three years I've played this game, DS's has been either OP things of death, or hardly usable things that were way to easily shot out of the sky by AV or a rail in the redline. All through this time, DS's never were good at what they were actually supposed to do (like all vehicles tbh), or both (like now, which ADS's acting as Gunships, T I DS's acting as throwaway hulls) which is spewing badass clones into the fray. There's two reasons for this, one in which is shared by all vehicles, and the other is DS specific. The first reason is that maps are WAY too small to really use their true potential (especially the older maps), and I doubt we can get much larger anytime soon, unless of course, if we go next gen). Therefore, we can't really fix that for now (Unless Master splinter can somehow get us a bigger map without degrading the gameplay anymore, which would impress the **** out of me). The second reason is simply that Pilots aren't rewarded for flying. The transport bonuses are low, and only works if the infantry can survive long enough to actually do something. There needs to be a lot more ways that Pilots can get points while in a DS. For example, infantry can be given the option of calling for a DS to come and pick them up. they fly in, and get points for doing a pickup. hen, the Pilot flies to the location, and drops them off, and gets points for that. Then their can be several additional ones, such as they survived for a long time after dropping, they killed people, the ADS could have a you killed peple who were shooting at them or were even in the vicinity of the drop point, etc. If these two things were fixed, DS's in general would become a lot more fun to play, and becomes a infantry's best way to get onto the front lines, which would be just great, as the more connected players are, the better. BLUB click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2951	Posted - 2015.02.08 18:09:00 - [2] - Quote 1) Most maps aren't really a problem. There are a few Dom maps that are just too small for vehicles to be very good, and a few 3 point Skirm maps, but I don't think that's much of an issue. 2) As far as rewards, I think they're fine as well. Your goal as a transport DS is to get people to places where they can do things, if your squad gets killed as soon as they land, you didn't do you job. Same thing as a gunship pilot, if your gunners aren't killing people, you're not doing your job. Transport WP is low because it's an easy, low risk role, and gunship piloting isn't that low, to be honest, especially if you have a squad order. The biggest problem with dropships is how underutilized they are by the rest of the squad. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2847	Posted - 2015.02.08 18:15:00 - [3] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: 1) Most maps aren't really a problem. There are a few Dom maps that are just too small for vehicles to be very good, and a few 3 point Skirm maps, but I don't think that's much of an issue. 2) As far as rewards, I think they're fine as well. Your goal as a transport DS is to get people to places where they can do things, if your squad gets killed as soon as they land, you didn't do you job. Same thing as a gunship pilot, if your gunners aren't killing people, you're not doing your job. Transport WP is low because it's an easy, low risk role, and gunship piloting isn't that low, to be honest, especially if you have a squad order. The biggest problem with dropships is how underutilized they are by the rest of the squad. 1: I can cross the map in pretty much any vehicle under 30 seconds, DS's in about 15. That's way too short of a time, which is why transport-based vehicles aren't really seen as full time vehicles. Also, I'd also like to add that the player count is too small. 2: Go fly in a DS for 5 matches, and tell me if you can get higher than 5k WP's in total, and I'm talking pure flying. 3: Gunships don't exist in Dust. 4: If you think transport is easy, you're an idiot. click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Kain Spero Negative-Feedback 4545	Posted - 2015.02.08 18:40:00 - [4] - Quote I really think in order to make vehicles providing infantry mobility a thing the current state of uplinks needs to be looked at. Uplinks overshadow transportation and mobility through vehicles in almost every way. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and Legion news
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 972	Posted - 2015.02.08 18:50:00 - [5] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: 1) Most maps aren't really a problem. There are a few Dom maps that are just too small for vehicles to be very good, and a few 3 point Skirm maps, but I don't think that's much of an issue. 2) As far as rewards, I think they're fine as well. Your goal as a transport DS is to get people to places where they can do things, if your squad gets killed as soon as they land, you didn't do you job. Same thing as a gunship pilot, if your gunners aren't killing people, you're not doing your job. Transport WP is low because it's an easy, low risk role, and gunship piloting isn't that low, to be honest, especially if you have a squad order. The biggest problem with dropships is how underutilized they are by the rest of the squad. 1) Dropships can get easily targeted by everything. At least on an LAV you can use the terrain to ypur advantagr 2) Transporting troops around is not low risk when everyone and their mother can see you and shoot you down. 3) There no such thing as gunships. The ADS is not a gunship. Changes to Damage mods!
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2849	Posted - 2015.02.08 18:54:00 - [6] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I really think in order to make vehicles providing infantry mobility a thing the current state of uplinks needs to be looked at. Uplinks overshadow transportation and mobility through vehicles in almost every way. Maybe some kind of range limitation, or a way shorter spawn count (or both)? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command 969	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:11:00 - [7] - Quote Personally I'd like to see what happens when the mCRU is finally fixed. That would at least improve a part of the problem.
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2125	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:19:00 - [8] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: I really think in order to make vehicles providing infantry mobility a thing the current state of uplinks needs to be looked at. Uplinks overshadow transportation and mobility through vehicles in almost every way. I agree with parts of this, uplinks have way too many spawns on them especially when combined with amarr +2 spawns per level. The other problem is that people almost NEVER leave vehicles of their own volition, if you gave dropships a way to boot people the ** out they'd be a lot more valuable. I have flown MCRU dropships, where 6 people have spawned in and refused to leave. In a similar manner to how uplinks need to be place to funnel people towards objectives, dropships need to be able to kick people out (at low heights) so they don't just get to ride in the dropship all match but instead they have to go do something. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Godin Thekiller The Corporate Raiders 2849	Posted - 2015.02.08 19:52:00 - [9] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I really think in order to make vehicles providing infantry mobility a thing the current state of uplinks needs to be looked at. Uplinks overshadow transportation and mobility through vehicles in almost every way. I agree with parts of this, uplinks have way too many spawns on them especially when combined with amarr +2 spawns per level. The other problem is that people almost NEVER leave vehicles of their own volition, if you gave dropships a way to boot people the **** out they'd be a lot more valuable. I have flown MCRU dropships, where 6 people have spawned in and refused to leave. In a similar manner to how uplinks need to be place to funnel people towards objectives, dropships need to be able to kick people out (at low heights) so they don't just get to ride in the dropship all match but instead they have to go do something. That does suck, and needs to be fixed. However, people has issues with redline dropping. Maybe this feature is locked when in the redline? click me Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2125	Posted - 2015.02.08 20:38:00 - [10] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Kain Spero wrote: I really think in order to make vehicles providing infantry mobility a thing the current state of uplinks needs to be looked at. Uplinks overshadow transportation and mobility through vehicles in almost every way. I agree with parts of this, uplinks have way too many spawns on them especially when combined with amarr +2 spawns per level. The other problem is that people almost NEVER leave vehicles of their own volition, if you gave dropships a way to boot people the ** out they'd be a lot more valuable. I have flown MCRU dropships, where 6 people have spawned in and refused to leave. In a similar manner to how uplinks need to be place to funnel people towards objectives, dropships need to be able to kick people out (at low heights) so they don't just get to ride in the dropship all match but instead they have to go do something. That does suck, and needs to be fixed. However, people has issues with redline dropping. Maybe this feature is locked when in the redline? Sounds fine. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.

Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 716	Posted - 2015.02.08 21:21:00 - [11] - Quote It's more down to the team than the dropship. I've had a few great teams (sets of randoms) that have made flying a joy (even during 'TankRising 1.8' Just the other day (using an MCRU) I had a brilliant 6 vs 12 match, where even though we lost, the whole 6 people on our team used the dropship cru to invade objectives, helped kill off the av using the side turrets and generally did a damn good job. Even though we lost, our team died a lot less than theirs and the dropship lasted. I picked them up when they were done and flew to other places on the map. It was truly great. I could care less about getting WP, but would like to see something like the commands a squad leader can use, but for every individual merc to point things out, up to and including asking for pickups/dropoffs.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1520	Posted - 2015.02.08 21:37:00 - [12] - Quote It would be nice if the pilot could communicate with their passengers, besides providing interesting details like, "if you look out your right side window you can see outline of Orion's Canyon" and "we may be hitting some turbulence" they could also tell you things like "get out now"and "shoot that thing". As a passenger a lot of the time I have no idea where we are, where we are going or what the pilot wants me to do. Because, that's why.


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