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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.08 07:48:00 -
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Why do medium frames progress with 2 slots per tier and everything else progress with 1? What makes them so special to deserve that?
My Basic medium frames, logis & Commandos
Racial tanks
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.02.08 07:54:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Why do medium frames progress with 2 slots per tier and everything else progress with 1? What makes them so special to deserve that?
They aren't special in any other category. Maybe a slight regen advantage or speed but that's about it.
~New Eden's #1 Gallente Arm's Dealer
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THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.02.08 09:04:00 -
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Because **** you that's why.
No really, people shouldn't even be using basic frames.
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The-Errorist
1025
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Posted - 2015.02.08 09:08:00 -
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THUNDERGROOVE wrote:"Because **** you that's why." - CCP
No really, people shouldn't even be using basic frames.
I did not say basic frames anywhere in the OP.
My Basic medium frames, logis & Commandos
Racial tanks
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Vicious Minotaur
1976
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Posted - 2015.02.08 09:18:00 -
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Because does sense not CCP make.
I am a minotaur.
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Foo Fighting
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.08 09:45:00 -
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It's because they are supposed to be flexible / adaptable. Think of the sentinel, commando and scout as specialist suits, the Sentinel and commando have built in hp modules and the scout has built in ewar mods. Medium don't have built in advantages so you need the slots. |
demonkiller 12
State of Purgatory
General Tso's Alliance
597
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Posted - 2015.02.08 11:35:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Why do medium frames progress with 2 slots per tier and everything else progress with 1? What makes them so special to deserve that?
because they dont get a role bonus and they cost more isk, like the amarr assault is the only assault with a role bonus that makes the suit itself worth skilling into, but in the end you have to choose between the SP sink from the proto Assault or the ISK that could be wasted from more expensive suits |
Joel II X
Bacon with a bottle of Quafe
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Posted - 2015.02.08 17:10:00 -
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They must have SOMETHING of value, right? Since they're only frames without specifications, the manufacturers are able to play around with the suits and improve on them thanks to having more room to work with (since the specification take up some to work with bonuses and role enhancers). |
THUNDERGROOVE
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2015.02.08 21:42:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:THUNDERGROOVE wrote:"Because **** you that's why." - CCP
No really, people shouldn't even be using basic frames. I did not say basic frames anywhere in the OP.
lol it was late.
Regardless, I see it more that they want medium frames to be more versatile.
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The-Errorist
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Posted - 2015.02.08 21:51:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:They must have SOMETHING of value, right? Since they're only frames without specifications, the manufacturers are able to play around with the suits and improve on them thanks to having more room to work with (since the specification take up some to work with bonuses and role enhancers).
*Facepalm* like I said earlier, I didn't say basic medium frames. I said medium frames and that category includes all medium frames (basic, assault, & logistics).
Foo Fighting wrote:It's because they are supposed to be flexible / adaptable. Think of the sentinel, commando and scout as specialist suits, the Sentinel and commando have built in hp modules and the scout has built in ewar mods. Medium don't have built in advantages so you need the slots.
What makes medium frames flexible and adaptable is that they start off with more slots than everything else, have equipments slot(s), speed/stamina, and good regen stats. They don't need to progress 2 slots per tier on top of that to make the module gap greater.
My Basic medium frames, logis & Commandos
Racial tanks
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Atiim
Titans of Phoenix
15519
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:06:00 -
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Medium Frames have higher slot layouts, and because of their higher slot layouts they get 2 extra slots per tier. If we were to apply the same progression to other frames than we'd have a disaster where the STD and ADV tiers of those suits are terrible.
Basically, what if we gave the STD MinScout a 1/1 layout and the ADV a 2/2? Or the STD Gal/Amarr Scouts a 0/2 layout at STD with a 1/3 at ADV?
Unless you want to nerf the STD and ADV variants, this current progression system will remain.
The 1st Matari Commando
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Bahirae Serugiusu
Vendetta Reactionary Force
501
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:12:00 -
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Medium suits are the games redheaded stepchild. Not as fast as scouts but faster then heavies, more durable then scouts but not close to Sentinels, and can't sneak up on people like a scout and can't match a heavies DPS
The State will always survive.
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Cat Merc
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
15032
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Posted - 2015.02.08 22:21:00 -
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In the spreadsheet I see you took away a slot on PRO Assaults.
For that I say **** off.
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The-Errorist
1027
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Posted - 2015.02.08 23:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Medium Frames have higher slot layouts, and because of their higher slot layouts they get 2 extra slots per tier. If we were to apply the same progression to other frames than we'd have a disaster where the STD and ADV tiers of those suits are terrible.
Basically, what if we gave the STD MinScout a 1/1 layout and the ADV a 2/2? Or the STD Gal/Amarr Scouts a 0/2 layout at STD with a 1/3 at ADV?
Unless you want to nerf the STD and ADV variants, this current progression system will remain.
Currently they start off with more slots than everything; giving them 2 slots per tier is unnecessary. If the same 1 module per tier progression was adopted for them STD medium frames would be unaffected and ADV would still have higher slots than everything else, as well as proto.
My Basic medium frames, logis & Assaults
Racial tanks
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Tectonic Fusion
2329
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Posted - 2015.02.08 23:15:00 -
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The-Errorist wrote:Atiim wrote:Medium Frames have higher slot layouts, and because of their higher slot layouts they get 2 extra slots per tier. If we were to apply the same progression to other frames than we'd have a disaster where the STD and ADV tiers of those suits are terrible.
Basically, what if we gave the STD MinScout a 1/1 layout and the ADV a 2/2? Or the STD Gal/Amarr Scouts a 0/2 layout at STD with a 1/3 at ADV?
Unless you want to nerf the STD and ADV variants, this current progression system will remain. Currently they start off with more slots than everything; giving them 2 slots per tier is unnecessary. If the same 1 module per tier progression was adopted for them STD medium frames would be unaffected and ADV would still have higher slots than everything else, as well as proto.
Because that is how they were designed. However, I think that the assaults and logis should have less slots than the basic medium frames, and increased regen/HP stats/ewar or whatnot. The basic medium frames should be the jack of all trades. The rest should be specialization.
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Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
1217
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Posted - 2015.02.08 23:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:In the spreadsheet I see you took away a slot on PRO Assaults.
For that I say **** off.
Yeah, don't fux with my slots... you slots.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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The-Errorist
1027
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:09:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:The-Errorist wrote:Atiim wrote:Medium Frames have higher slot layouts, and because of their higher slot layouts they get 2 extra slots per tier. If we were to apply the same progression to other frames than we'd have a disaster where the STD and ADV tiers of those suits are terrible.
Basically, what if we gave the STD MinScout a 1/1 layout and the ADV a 2/2? Or the STD Gal/Amarr Scouts a 0/2 layout at STD with a 1/3 at ADV?
Unless you want to nerf the STD and ADV variants, this current progression system will remain. Currently they start off with more slots than everything; giving them 2 slots per tier is unnecessary. If the same 1 module per tier progression was adopted for them STD medium frames would be unaffected and ADV would still have higher slots than everything else, as well as proto. Because that is how they were designed. However, I think that the assaults and logis should have less slots than the basic medium frames, and increased regen/HP stats/ewar or whatnot. The basic medium frames should be the jack of all trades. The rest should be specialization.
Designs can change
In my spreadsheet, I gave basic medium frames 1 less slot and 1 more equipment slot. They already have higher base armor repair and I would like them to have a higher scan radius and shield recharge rates. I don't think assaults and logis should have less slots than basic mediums.
Suits, Tanks, a mode
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ScI-Iurk
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
53
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Posted - 2015.02.09 01:21:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Because does sense not CCP make.
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