DUST Search - Is the scrambler really that bad?

Imp Smash wrote:

It's all perception. A lot of people were bitching about OP scouts -- scouts took a nerf -- so now they aren't complaining anymore. However the thing that make scouts most OP is still broken. Scouts can still toe to toe with a heavy at 15 meters (outside of shotgun range) and have a pretty good chance of winning given certain network conditions.

Why do you think so many people put so many copies of the same thread instead of having 1 large thread where everyone discusses things honestly and fairly? Propaganda. Enough people see the same line of rhetoric multiple times but with different titles they assume it's a large group of people who agree with it. Even if it is the same small number of people and their alts.

Welcome to Fox News.

Edit note: To be fair I do not believe all people who complain the ScR are doing the above. Some have legitimate concerns and are fairly reasonable. It's the guys who remake their own threads instead of discussing stuff in existing threads to create the illusion of consensus -- them you can ignore simply because they won't listen to reason.

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Ian The Conquer Capital Acquisitions LLC Bad Intention 12	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:32:00 - [1] - Quote Omg it seems everyday im seeing a new post about how the scrambler rifle is OP and needs to be nerfed, now being a shield user myself, Min and cal suits, yes being shredded by a scrambler is annoying, but the game is all about countering. If i start getting killed by scrambler alot, i run armor tanked versions of my suits so i stand a better chance against the gun, and thats with any weapon, if everything gets nerfed the game is no fun. I personally hate the Breach Ar more in terms of ttk lol
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 1925	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:34:00 - [2] - Quote No. It is fine, except for its utility up close. The AScR should be better there, but its not. So add a damage scalar and buff the AScR please. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2965	Posted - 2015.02.06 23:39:00 - [3] - Quote Ian The Conquer wrote: Omg it seems everyday im seeing a new post about how the scrambler rifle is OP and needs to be nerfed, now being a shield user myself, Min and cal suits, yes being shredded by a scrambler is annoying, but the game is all about countering. If i start getting killed by scrambler alot, i run armor tanked versions of my suits so i stand a better chance against the gun, and thats with any weapon, if everything gets nerfed the game is no fun. I personally hate the Breach Ar more in terms of ttk lol There's an argument against countering... ... and it is countering. KDR matchmaking would patch all the patches into pure patchitudity.
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 644	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:24:00 - [4] - Quote It's all perception. A lot of people were bitching about OP scouts -- scouts took a nerf -- so now they aren't complaining anymore. However the thing that make scouts most OP is still broken. Scouts can still toe to toe with a heavy at 15 meters (outside of shotgun range) and have a pretty good chance of winning given certain network conditions. Why do you think so many people put so many copies of the same thread instead of having 1 large thread where everyone discusses things honestly and fairly? Propaganda. Enough people see the same line of rhetoric multiple times but with different titles they assume it's a large group of people who agree with it. Even if it is the same small number of people and their alts. Welcome to Fox News.
Mex-0 T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 351	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:31:00 - [5] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: It's all perception. A lot of people were bitching about OP scouts -- scouts took a nerf -- so now they aren't complaining anymore. However the thing that make scouts most OP is still broken. Scouts can still toe to toe with a heavy at 15 meters (outside of shotgun range) and have a pretty good chance of winning given certain network conditions. Why do you think so many people put so many copies of the same thread instead of having 1 large thread where everyone discusses things honestly and fairly? Propaganda. Enough people see the same line of rhetoric multiple times but with different titles they assume it's a large group of people who agree with it. Even if it is the same small number of people and their alts. Welcome to Fox News. Really? Shoot a heavy in the back, and he and his other heavy friends and logis will gank the living **** out of you. Gû¼+¦GòÉGòÉn¦ñ
Imp Smash Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 647	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:33:00 - [6] - Quote Mex-0 wrote: Imp Smash wrote: It's all perception. A lot of people were bitching about OP scouts -- scouts took a nerf -- so now they aren't complaining anymore. However the thing that make scouts most OP is still broken. Scouts can still toe to toe with a heavy at 15 meters (outside of shotgun range) and have a pretty good chance of winning given certain network conditions. Why do you think so many people put so many copies of the same thread instead of having 1 large thread where everyone discusses things honestly and fairly? Propaganda. Enough people see the same line of rhetoric multiple times but with different titles they assume it's a large group of people who agree with it. Even if it is the same small number of people and their alts. Welcome to Fox News. Really? Shoot a heavy in the back, and he and his other heavy friends and logis will gank the living **** out of you. It's not the scout suit itself -- all suits have the problem I am alluding to. Hit detection in network environment. It's just more exaggerated on the scout -- but potentially any suit fast enough can do it.
Joel II X Bacon with a bottle of Quafe 6050	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:45:00 - [7] - Quote It sucks doing what it should do. It's alright as a CQC weapon.
Archduke Ferd1nand Nos Nothi 51	Posted - 2015.02.07 00:48:00 - [8] - Quote Ian The Conquer wrote: Omg it seems everyday im seeing a new post about how the scrambler rifle is OP and needs to be nerfed, now being a shield user myself, Min and cal suits, yes being shredded by a scrambler is annoying, but the game is all about countering. If i start getting killed by scrambler alot, i run armor tanked versions of my suits so i stand a better chance against the gun, and thats with any weapon, if everything gets nerfed the game is no fun. I personally hate the Breach Ar more in terms of ttk lol BrAR is the anti speed weapon. Its hit detection, hip fire, and handling make it the best full auto fine rifle in the game, not to mention its crazy accuracy and damage at long range. Killed by Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p on June 28 1914. Last words: "Nova Knives and a Flaylock Pistol? I might just die laughing!"
JIMvc2 Consolidated Dust 644	Posted - 2015.02.07 01:08:00 - [9] - Quote Brick tanking wont save your precious suit from the scrambler >:) in cqc Its a beast weapon just like DAAAA BEAST. MAG Raven vet 7 times. Favorite weapon F90 and Highest Kills 78 and 23 deaths.
Onesimus Tarsus is-a-Corporation 2978	Posted - 2015.02.07 01:19:00 - [10] - Quote Archduke Ferd1nand wrote: Ian The Conquer wrote: Omg it seems everyday im seeing a new post about how the scrambler rifle is OP and needs to be nerfed, now being a shield user myself, Min and cal suits, yes being shredded by a scrambler is annoying, but the game is all about countering. If i start getting killed by scrambler alot, i run armor tanked versions of my suits so i stand a better chance against the gun, and thats with any weapon, if everything gets nerfed the game is no fun. I personally hate the Breach Ar more in terms of ttk lol BrAR is the anti speed weapon. Its hit detection, hip fire, and handling make it the best full auto fine rifle in the game, not to mention its crazy accuracy and damage at long range. Must agree. Breach AR gets me killed more than any other weapon, mainly because when I tote it, I want to see if that big suit over there will blend. KDR matchmaking would patch all the patches into pure patchitudity.

Zindorak Nyain Chan 1700	Posted - 2015.02.07 01:42:00 - [11] - Quote No it's perfectly fine But the ARR thats a different story...... Pokemon master and Tekken Lord Give me da iskiez Gk0 Scout yay :)
Tectonic Fusion 2327	Posted - 2015.02.07 01:43:00 - [12] - Quote JIMvc2 wrote: Brick tanking wont save your precious suit from the scrambler >:) in cqc Its a beast weapon just like DAAAA BEAST. Only DAAAAA BEAST isn't a beast. (GIF)
trollface dot jpg The Bacon Corporation 246	Posted - 2015.02.07 02:44:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Brick tanking wont save your precious suit from the scrambler >:) in cqc Its a beast weapon just like DAAAA BEAST. Only DAAAAA BEAST isn't a beast. Which is decidedly unfortunate. RIP MAG, you will be missed. MAG Vet ~ Raven
DAAAA BEAST Corrosive Synergy 686	Posted - 2015.02.07 03:19:00 - [14] - Quote trollface dot jpg wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Brick tanking wont save your precious suit from the scrambler >:) in cqc Its a beast weapon just like DAAAA BEAST. Only DAAAAA BEAST isn't a beast. Which is decidedly unfortunate. I don't know a DAAAAA BEAST ... I know DAAAA BEAST. I am a Minmatar fanatic but don't CCP dare touch this awesome weapon. Join Corrosive Synergy ! Tax Free ! Gû¦
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 1933	Posted - 2015.02.07 03:25:00 - [15] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: JIMvc2 wrote: Brick tanking wont save your precious suit from the scrambler >:) in cqc Its a beast weapon just like DAAAA BEAST. Only DAAAAA BEAST isn't a beast. Isn't a literal beast or figurative beast... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Timtron Victory Horizons' Edge 318	Posted - 2015.02.07 03:36:00 - [16] - Quote I love the gun and I think that its just fine but you have players dealing about 500 damage in less than 2 seconds without a charged shot . My guess is modded controllers ISK Weekly Lottery Proud Christian Jesus Loves You
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 825	Posted - 2015.02.07 03:39:00 - [17] - Quote Rattati said what he said. Until numbers are as they are now [small amount of ScRs compared to other rifles] it won't be nerfed. They can make as many threads as they want. CCP Nerf Bat is far away from ScR. Instead they should look [i think they already do] at fast moving suits hit detection problems. Loyal to State. > *Gallus in suo sterquilinio plurimum potest - the rooster can do plenty in his own dungheap*
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 825	Posted - 2015.02.07 03:48:00 - [18] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: I love the gun and I think that its just fine but you have players dealing about 500 damage in less than 2 seconds without a charged shot . My guess is modded controllers You need only 4 to 5 shots to get 500 dmg with ScR. Or if we're talking about armor then it would be 7 to 8 shots that you can fire within 1 sec without modded controller. With modded controller you can deal 1200 damage to shields within 1 sec or 650 to armor. Loyal to State. > *Gallus in suo sterquilinio plurimum potest - the rooster can do plenty in his own dungheap*
Ryanjr TUG 11	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:20:00 - [19] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: No. It is fine, except for its utility up close. The AScR should be better there, but its not. So add a damage scalar and buff the AScR please. Bull carp. The ScR is killing tanks, when a "rifle is being used by alot of people it's OP". by ccp ? Well I think all match now have at less to ScR, but the combat rifle got it's "reduced" that way. (now you have to have it maxed out skillon it to even hit a fatie). Most ScR users used Combat Rifles to get them "reduced", also we got Damage mods "reduced". This game is C.O.D now...... "I come in peace I didn't bring artillery, but I'm pleading with you with tears in eyes if you fuck me I kill you all"
Bone Doc Commando Perkone Caldari State 17	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:46:00 - [20] - Quote The weapon isnt OP only OP to low EHP suits because of it's high alpha so anyone below 700 EHP is a good guess ,I hope most of the community has that on average

7th Son 7 BLITZKRIEG7 473	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:51:00 - [21] - Quote Timtron Victory wrote: I love the gun and I think that its just fine but you have players dealing about 500 damage in less than 2 seconds without a charged shot . My guess is modded controllers That's always your guess Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy if possible........--- Stonewall Jackson
LUGMOS Corrosive Synergy 1942	Posted - 2015.02.07 19:54:00 - [22] - Quote Bone Doc wrote: The weapon isnt OP only OP to low EHP suits because of it's high alpha so anyone below 700 EHP is a good guess ,I hope most of the community has that on average Yes, I like the current EHP stacking meta too. I love the diversity.... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Archduke Ferd1nand nos nothi 54	Posted - 2015.02.07 22:05:00 - [23] - Quote Imp Smash wrote: It's all perception. A lot of people were bitching about OP scouts -- scouts took a nerf -- so now they aren't complaining anymore. However the thing that make scouts most OP is still broken. Scouts can still toe to toe with a heavy at 15 meters (outside of shotgun range) and have a pretty good chance of winning given certain network conditions. Why do you think so many people put so many copies of the same thread instead of having 1 large thread where everyone discusses things honestly and fairly? Propaganda. Enough people see the same line of rhetoric multiple times but with different titles they assume it's a large group of people who agree with it. Even if it is the same small number of people and their alts. Welcome to Fox News. Edit note: To be fair I do not believe all people who complain the ScR are doing the above. Some have legitimate concerns and are fairly reasonable. It's the guys who remake their own threads instead of discussing stuff in existing threads to create the illusion of consensus -- them you can ignore simply because they won't listen to reason. And people wonder why I call 95% of the forum goers "GD Sheep"... Killed by Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p on June 28 1914. Last words: "Nova Knives and a Flaylock Pistol? I might just die laughing!"
Research CLONE54344 Sarum Family Rifles 11	Posted - 2015.02.07 22:09:00 - [24] - Quote A great counter to the scrambler rifle I discovered was so simple, but really only works against this weapon, ..... Duck. Yep, that's right. That rarely used button on your controller is actually perfect against headshotting maniacs in that the extra second or two will turn the tables on them as they adjust. Try it! :)


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