Only a few people made enough ISK off of PC to run proto 24/7 man that currently run it do it because they are good and play as a squad.

of course you are going to get stomped when you solo in a standard suit.

Only a few people made enough ISK off of PC to run proto 24/7 man that currently run it do it because they are good and play as a squad.

of course you are going to get stomped when you solo in a standard suit.

Many people run/can run proto 24/7 even if they have 10m,100m,500m isk. It's more about ; will you get back these isk anytime soon?

Or the best way to get isk in pubs. Drive in gunlogi with rail/missiles.

You mean before you lose a few million learning how to pilot one correctly?
Oh, wait, you mean hiding in the redline and destroying installations. Gotcha.

Actually, i've found it's easier to make isk with a dirt cheap militia light frame and shotgun (I actually use the recruit AR with a minmatar light frame). It has like 200ehp, but it only costs me 3k isk. I can make isk every match with it.

If my fit costs me more than 50k isk then I will lose money in just about every session of play. I can just about make a profit on running ADV suits and gear for around 35k.

This worries me. Because I'm a reasonable player who can regularly place top three in any given pub match (no brag here, I know) and most of that is the result of my 35mil sp carrying me through and smoothing over the cracks of my truly average gun game. I play conservatively, I drop uplinks, I hunt tanks. I can make wp's happen. My KDR is positive much more often than it is negative. I'm reasonably successful as a merc in New Eden.

Point being, I can do all that and I'll still never even touch proto in a serious manner. It would bankrupt me in a month of casual play, and I am by no means destitute currently. Proto gear is simply not a sustainable choice, and I'm actuslly happy with that because that's how it should be; they're the shiny toys you bring out when stuff gets serious. But all the major corps run full proto squads in pubs with total disregard to the loss of isk that they surely must incur. It's unusual for even the best players to lose no suits throughout the course of a match, and by estimation if you lose two fully fitted proto assaults you have blown that match's paycheck and then some. But it happens anyway, day after day.

This is a game that was meant to built around the consequences of your choices and the harsh lessons of your failures. What we actuslly have is an untouchable elite with near limitless resources crushing all opposition without having to worry about any losses incurred to themselves in the process. It's toxic. We need to stop it.

If CCP actually balanced matches..... it would make all the difference in the world.

If this means that to do it in pubs, squad sizes have to change (for pubs) then so be it! Are people really more bothered about being able to stomp noobs than the health and balance aka FUN of the game?

How good was chromosome, everyone was pretty poor and running a proto suit was a fairly big deal, that second equipment slot on your assault vk.1 was probably a needle because if you or your proto buddies went down someone better be picking their ass up lol.

Ah good times......

If my fit costs me more than 50k isk then I will lose money in just about every session of play. I can just about make a profit on running ADV suits and gear for around 35k.

This worries me. Because I'm a reasonable player who can regularly place top three in any given pub match (no brag here, I know) and most of that is the result of my 35mil sp carrying me through and smoothing over the cracks of my truly average gun game. I play conservatively, I drop uplinks, I hunt tanks. I can make wp's happen. My KDR is positive much more often than it is negative. I'm reasonably successful as a merc in New Eden.

Point being, I can do all that and I'll still never even touch proto in a serious manner. It would bankrupt me in a month of casual play, and I am by no means destitute currently. Proto gear is simply not a sustainable choice, and I'm actuslly happy with that because that's how it should be; they're the shiny toys you bring out when stuff gets serious. But all the major corps run full proto squads in pubs with total disregard to the loss of isk that they surely must incur. It's unusual for even the best players to lose no suits throughout the course of a match, and by estimation if you lose two fully fitted proto assaults you have blown that match's paycheck and then some. But it happens anyway, day after day.

This is a game that was meant to built around the consequences of your choices and the harsh lessons of your failures. What we actuslly have is an untouchable elite with near limitless resources crushing all opposition without having to worry about any losses incurred to themselves in the process. It's toxic. We need to stop it.

Apparently running a 6 man proto stomping squad is more healthier for the game according to the stompers.

Actually, it is.
Half of the players of this game wouldn't have stuck around if it wasn't for their corpmates and forumites around.
Anything that hurts our ability to play together hurts the game. Full stop.

I happen to disagree. In pubs, I don't run my highest tier suits, because playing against Bluegrapes in it is no fun at all. Now, playing a BrScr only low eHP scout? Much fun.

But a Commando mk.0 with Boundless Specialist Cr and Agimus' Modified MD, with Complex mods? Not overly enjoyable to stomp with.

I happen to disagree. In pubs, I don't run my highest tier suits, because playing against Bluegrapes in it is no fun at all. Now, playing a BrScr only low eHP scout? Much fun.

But a Commando mk.0 with Boundless Specialist Cr and Agimus' Modified MD, with Complex mods? Not overly enjoyable to stomp with.