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Jammeh McJam
Crux Special Tasks Group
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:12:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Bahirae Serugiusu wrote:Turrets are fine, everything has a blind spot. And equip a Swarm Launcher even the ADV would do and ADS are running like Kenyans. So I'm supposed to hop out of my HAV and risk getting outright killed by a ADS or some other infantry/vehicle, or get ambused? EVERYTHING has a blindspot in this game why should tanks not have one? Missiles turrets aim higher then blaster and rail turrets so equip one and kite the ADS. Or drive around in a Sentinel suit with a Swarm launcher and scare them into fleeing. No, everything does not. Infantry can turn around or look up DS's can look both down and up only LAV's can't really defend against most things, which they can greatly avoid with like DS's, speed. So only HAV's has one true blind spot. Try again.
Have you ever tried looking directly up in a DS, normally you're crashing into the ground a*s first before you get to fire a shot
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.09 09:00:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:And Gunships that HAV's can't defend against. You can seriously hover over them and blow them up. Running away doesn't even help it seems, as you can still just fire away at them to kill them. This is highly unreasonable and needs to get fixed (a raise in turret elevation would help).
BLUB
Problem is CCP originally intended missile turrets on tanks to be able to lock on to drop ships until ADSs completely QQed back in open beta, that is why the rail tank ended up as the main ADS killer of the tanks, blaster was supposed to be anti-infantry, rail as anti-armor and missile as anti-air, if things were done as intended tank warfare and vehicle warfare would be balanced but ADSs cry about everything dangerous to them
That's because everything's dangerous to an ADS pilot...
What AV don't understand is that ADS can be destroyed by immobile objects (buildings) and RDVs, meanwhile a swarm user isn't going to trip up on a rock and die...
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.09 09:06:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Derpty Derp wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
If you can't track the sluggish movements of a HAV moving forward and backwards, I'm sorry, but you need to practice. That's simply all it comes down to.
If you can't out-think the dropship pilot when in a tank, I'm sorry, but you need to stop whining and get some practice. Yes there are bad tankers that make it easy to kill them with a dropship. In the same way there are bad pilots that can't track a tank going backwards and forward. Godin Thekiller wrote:
Life is harsh, deal with it.
Mary Sedillo wrote:I fly ADS and shoot them down with relative ease with a double/triple damage-mod rail tank from afar while they are engaging infantry. I can two shot even well equipped ones before he can engage after-burners.
L2Patience and Strategy. I'm not sure a redzone rail-tank is the best answer here, since the redzone is a problem that needs solving. Whatever you do in a HAV, there's a easy counter. You can't escape (the ADS is faser than you). You can't shoot back within the optimal of Rockets and blasters (ADS can easily vaoid you due to tracking speed and height advantage). About the only thing yo can do is dodge and hope that a infantry will switch to AV, or there's a HAV with a rail sniping at it, and relying on people doesn't work too well. @ Mary- Yea, try the same with a blaster or Rocket fitted HAV. If your comeback is (use a Rail), then I don't care, that's a ****** argument.
You can escape an ADS in a tank actually... it's called FINDING SOMETHING WITH A ROOF
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.09 09:10:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:So what he was also saying is that falling back, and bringing rail to take down a dropship is a bad idea?
You know what is bad?
Being inflexible. ADS needs to kill you more until you realize
you adapt to the game and not the other way around.
Exactly, ppl have complained so much about things in this game that the phrase 'Adapt or Die' means nothing now
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.09 11:31:00 -
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killertojo42 wrote:TEC N9ne wrote:HAVs Can easily run, it takes so many rounds solo to take a good tank, plenty of time for them to roll into their redline as they always do, unless youre referring to when you also have multiples of AV firing in which case it should die. if you wanna take away my ability to hover over you and fire then you must also at the same time remove an HAVs ability to hide like a coward in the redline behind a hill and snipe an ads with a particle accelerator where there is no ability to return fire. Flying drop ships get a pretty big expansion to the redline so yeah you already got your wish
But ADS can't shoot ppl from the redline, in fact it can't do anything from the redline, but it's the only place that it won't be completely destroyed
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.13 12:51:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:JAKE REDBLOOD wrote:You guys just don't understand how hard it is to fly a drop ship these days, even when you have them makes out.
I don't care what anyone says swarms are op! I always find it funny as well that there's normally always more than one guy. This means that you fly over a building and suddenly your dead from two sets of invisible swarms hitting you simultaneously, of course you then turn your shield booster on but then wait... You get hit by the swarms again because they have managed to fire three rounds by the time you've gotten 150m away. Then of course you can't out run them... But I suppose it must be really hard to aim with those things... Point in the general direction and hold r1. Python down :( Seeing as I fly them, I den this. Also you say swarms. This has nothing to do with swarms. Again, as I said like 10 pages ago, jumping out of a HAVV to defend it isn't valid. the ADS can easily kill you that way, and soon enough, that won't even be a thing with enter/exit delays. Otherwise, that would mean that you're implying that the HAV has to use teamwork to deal with a ADS, in which 1: That's broken 2: You can't rely on teamwork. Bluedots are ******* useless.
Noone expects you to work with bluedots. If you want teamwork, run in a squad and don't tank alone. You won't find many (if any) people who ADS without a squad helping to take out AV.
Also, you'll find that a large majority of tankers can either escape ADSs (by driving into the redline or simply hiding under a roof), kill the ADS (by either jumping out with AV - which despite how much you say it isn't, it is a valid way to defend your tank from ADS - or just shooting the ADS out of the sky).
Personally I've shot ADS out of the sky countless times while they were flying over my tank, and not just with rails, either that or I've escaped them by looking for the nearest thing with a roof or large buildings to make it harder for the ADS to follow. If you're having so much trouble with ADS, then run in groups of 2 or more, that way if one of you is being attacked by an ADS from your blind spot (which is a valid counter to tanks) then the other tank can shoot the ADS out of the sky.
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.13 12:58:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:So even though it's the very near future, It's a non issue, since it's not current balance? Considering there are far more changes than simply the Missile turret change, the. yes. HAVs are being changed significantly, like UHAVs being far tougher and being teamwork focused. An ADS is teamwork focused also, the only reason you don't see people being transported is because of other reasons. A UHAV under the new stats will be pretty damn resilient to an ADS, and the current HAVs are already resilient enough to make them spend a long time trying to kill a half awake HAV operator. So yes, current balance is petty close to fine, and the next stage of balance is going to favour more HAVs than ADSs, the only outlier being the DHAV, which has additional speed and mobility to protect itself. Godin Thekiller wrote:Also, you said my reasoning is flawed. Show me examples Of Rocket and blaster HAV's being able to reasonably defend itself from an ADS. I haven't seen such.
As for the edit: again, I can't, as I can't record. I've said this several times. Again, show me that I'm wrong. I haven't seen a HAV being able to defend against a pilot without waiting for help from teammates, and relying or even requiring teamwork to handle a single person is broken. First, why will you refuse to find a video that someone else made? I did it, why can't you? You're the one campaigning for unnecessary change: provide reasons and evidence to support them. You're campaigning for a change to how the game operates. The onus is on you to prove why it is needed. Marauders aren't going to be the only HAV in the game, Enforcers will have even more trouble, and HAV's will still have a hard time dealing with them, and even then, with enough time, ADS will still be able to kill a Marauder. I'm not arguring about time. Time doesn't really matter. THIS EXISTING IS. If you can't understand that, that's your problem. I've looked for some, haven't found any. You try finding some, I'm tired of looking. I've also tried putting myself in situations where I could in fact try and avoid a ADS, but either one doesn't show up, or something else fights me beforehand, making it have a easy time killing me in a short period of time. EDIT: Before I forget, Enforcers won't have nearly enough speed to counter not being able to shoot at targets. Hell, since it goes faster, it'll be even easier to hit it.
So the fact that ADS can kill tanks after a minute of shooting and reloading is broken and needs to be stopped?
It will take even longer to take down a marauder because they have so much HP, and if the tanker can't escape into the redline or hide somewhere safe in that time then they should not be seen as a tanker, more like a noob on wheels.
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.13 23:44:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
So if I own a invisible unicorn that only I can detect, I say it is real and everyone else says it's not, I'm wrong? Using your logic, I am.
Just because a trillion people believe your warped opinion, that doesn't make your warped opinion right you fool. PROVE IT'S RIGHT.
Not before you prove that you're right. I've given my evdience I've been able to easily kill HAV's. I've not seen blaster and Rocket HAV's able to reasonably able to defend against ADS's. Provide otherwise.
You didn't give evidence, you told us you can easily take out tanks in ADS, that's just your word. There are ADS pilots and other tankers in this thread that all disagree with you, why are you so convinced that you're right? Just because it happened in your experience doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone else, atm it just makes you seem like a terrible player.
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.13 23:57:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:XxBlazikenxX wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
So if I own a invisible unicorn that only I can detect, I say it is real and everyone else says it's not, I'm wrong? Using your logic, I am.
Just because a trillion people believe your warped opinion, that doesn't make your warped opinion right you fool. PROVE IT'S RIGHT.
Not before you prove that you're right. I've given my evdience I've been able to easily kill HAV's. I've not seen blaster and Rocket HAV's able to reasonably able to defend against ADS's. Provide otherwise. You didn't give evidence, you told us you can easily take out tanks in ADS, that's just your word. There are ADS pilots and other tankers in this thread that all disagree with you, why are you so convinced that you're right? Just because it happened in your experience doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone else, atm it just makes you seem like a terrible player. Yes, by giving word of mouth, and The ways they said that they believe are actual counters don't work. I've looked for examples of otherwise, I've yet to find any, only videos showing my point (the video that the fool posted does that quite nice, and it's only rails, but to be fair, it's only one video). I can't record, so that's out. Also, why are you so convinced that I'm wrong? you've yet given me a valid reasoning. Popular opinion can't show truth on anything. Hell, I've been told that JLAV's are completely fine by infantry. Are they? Absolutely not.
Well they obviously do work, because everyone else here seems to have no problem in carrying the counters out, it's just you
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.14 01:44:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Bah, I'm done with this thread and Godin's obstinance.
I sincerely hope this does not happen, because it will mean that HAVs dominate the skies like railguns of old used to. Even with a modest elevation increase it will be nigh impossible for a dropship of any kind to engage and defeat an HAV, especially considering the rebalance of HAVs is almost unilaterally a good thing for them. Problem is, why is a DS (vehicle made for transport) trying to engage HAV's instead of transporting?
Because 1: it has a gun on the front of it and 2: NOONE WANTS TO BE TRANSPORTED
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.14 01:47:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:But no. Most of you, especially you thinks that it's perfectly fine, when it's clearly not. I ask you to give me examples of how, and you claim that using things that assumes that there's people ALWAYS willing to help you, that AI will ALWAYS help you, and the terrain can't be simply countered by the ADS is a thing, when ALL of those things are simply wrong. Again, prove to me that isn't the case. You've yet to, and I'm waiting to see otherwise. Godin Thekiller wrote:So if I own a invisible unicorn that only I can detect, I say it is real and everyone else says it's not, I'm wrong? Using your logic, I am.
Just because a trillion people believe your warped opinion, that doesn't make your warped opinion right you fool. PROVE IT'S RIGHT. That is exactly how science works: without evidence that something works/doesn't work a certain way, it's generally disregarded as a theory. Godin Thekiller wrote:I've given my evdience
I've been able to easily kill HAV's.
I've not seen blaster and Rocket HAV's able to reasonably able to defend against ADS's.
Provide otherwise. Your evidence has been to state that your individual experience is a certain. Roughly half a dozen ADS pilots and/or HAV operators have entered this thread and given their experience which amounts to the opposite of your experience. They have provided no more and no less than you have. Why do you feel that you've actually done more work than they have, and why do you feel they should do more work than you? 1: Science is irrelevant in that example, as only I can detect it. It is simply real, but you simply can't detect it. Answer the question: Am I wrong? 2: Actually, that is false.There wasn't anything provided other than "You are wrong! YOU ARE WRONG!" to prove me wrong. I've tried to keep civil, and if someone explained themselves, and asked for alternatives, as well as things to help with the quality of life for ADS's and DS's in general, I provided it. Again, tell me why/and or how a turret elevation increase and a ADS ceiling height slight reduction would break any balance, or not create more balance. None of you so far has.
Godin, if you can see a unicorn that noone else can see, and you say it's real, then you're most likely tripping balls
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.14 01:49:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:A question to all: Why is it bad to not want to have to rely on teamwork? Why, when several HAV operators have said otherwise, do you think this is an issue for everyone and not just you? Multiple HAV operators have said that defending themselves against an ADS ( even without using teamwork or hopping out with AV) is fine, yet you continue to disregard their consolidated, collective experience because it doesn't mesh with your individual experience. So because I can't run a squad all the time or at all, it's clearly my fault. Okay, if that's the case, then why does the ADS STILL not require teamwork? And actually, I have took their experiences into account. They are however, quite ******* invalid, as I said so many ******* times already, which you seem to not understand, REQUIRING TEAMWORK AGAINST SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T IS BROKEN YOU IDIOT. If you can't understand that, either you simply don't care, your head is so far up your ass that you simply can't get it, or you simply refuse to get it.
The ADS does require teamwork, but the team isn't operating the ADS, only 1 person is. The 'team' is killing the AV and pointing out the next objective for the ADS. Vehicles are more of a support role and force multiplier than something that can be used by a solo player.
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
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Posted - 2015.02.14 01:59:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:A question to all: Why is it bad to not want to have to rely on teamwork? Why, when several HAV operators have said otherwise, do you think this is an issue for everyone and not just you? Multiple HAV operators have said that defending themselves against an ADS ( even without using teamwork or hopping out with AV) is fine, yet you continue to disregard their consolidated, collective experience because it doesn't mesh with your individual experience. So because I can't run a squad all the time or at all, it's clearly my fault. Okay, if that's the case, then why does the ADS STILL not require teamwork? And actually, I have took their experiences into account. They are however, quite ******* invalid, as I said so many ******* times already, which you seem to not understand, REQUIRING TEAMWORK AGAINST SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T IS BROKEN YOU IDIOT. If you can't understand that, either you simply don't care, your head is so far up your ass that you simply can't get it, or you simply refuse to get it. The ADS does require teamwork, but the team isn't operating the ADS, only 1 person is. The 'team' is killing the AV and pointing out the next objective for the ADS. Vehicles are more of a support role and force multiplier than something that can be used by a solo player. The operations the vehicles does are support functions. The vehicles themselves shouldn't require teamwork to defend. ALso, that's a double standard.
Well when weapons are designed specifically to destroy the vehicles, then the team should use something to counter them, aka regular infantry. This defends the vehicle. You're trying to turn one of the most team orientated roles in a teamwork based game into a solo player role, if you want to play alone then go sniping or something, because vehicles obviously aren't for you.
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.14 02:01:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:Kallas Hallytyr wrote:Bah, I'm done with this thread and Godin's obstinance.
I sincerely hope this does not happen, because it will mean that HAVs dominate the skies like railguns of old used to. Even with a modest elevation increase it will be nigh impossible for a dropship of any kind to engage and defeat an HAV, especially considering the rebalance of HAVs is almost unilaterally a good thing for them. Problem is, why is a DS (vehicle made for transport) trying to engage HAV's instead of transporting? Because 1: it has a gun on the front of it and 2: NOONE WANTS TO BE TRANSPORTED It's a small turret, and that's false. If people could get to a location in a 1/10 the time that it would take to walk and gets bonuses when they get there, I bet many people would be calling on T II DS's to pick them up.
no, normally they just either call in an LAV, call in their own mlt DS or just walk. And yes, it is a small turret, thats why it takes forever to kill tanks, you're probably just experiencing the 'i have a pos tank fit' syndrome that all nooby solo tankers have
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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Jammeh McJam
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.02.14 02:02:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Jammeh McJam wrote:
Godin, if you can see a unicorn that noone else can see, and you say it's real, then you're most likely tripping balls
Nope, it's real. You can't change the hypothetical situation.
You know you sound insane right? There are real conditions where people act like that and it's treated as an abnormality...
"We may be small and disorganized, but we're still gonna kill you" - Intergalactic Super Friends
MAG ~ Raven vet
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