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Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
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Posted - 2015.01.31 01:38:00 -
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These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps. That is a load of the lowest quality bullshit
I have ever heard.
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Raptor Princess
ALLOTEC INC
135
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Posted - 2015.01.31 02:41:00 -
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I'm not a dedicated logi at all, but I spend more money on my logistics suit than any other, and always have. I use proto rep tools, injectors (and sometimes hives, but usually an advanced uplink instead).
Bearing that in mind, think about how often a logi does compared to a sentinel - they're squishy, yellow and no matter how many times I try, my rep tool does no damage to the enemy! In the time it takes me to switch to my weapon (which isn't long, considering I use a mouse and just have to scroll), I'm often already dead.
More WP means more ISK. Before I got my blueprint suit, and Assault Rifle, breaking even wasn't always as easy as it was for my friends who were playing as assaults, sentinels and scouts.
I've been in matches where I was the only one to break 1k WP before, because we were redlined. I've also been in matches where I didn't break 1k or come in the top 5 because my side was doing the redlining and the other team were hiding from us like cowards. The scouts got most WP that match cause they could run in and out the redline fast enough to catch people before the timer ran out.
Logis risk a lot when they are following fat guys around, and more risk = more reward.
So no, they're not OP any more than a heavy is OP at their role, or a scout is at theirs. |
Mejt0
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
751
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:06:00 -
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Raptor Princess wrote:I'm not a dedicated logi at all, but I spend more money on my logistics suit than any other, and always have. I use proto rep tools, injectors (and sometimes hives, but usually an advanced uplink instead).
Bearing that in mind, think about how often a logi does compared to a sentinel - they're squishy, yellow and no matter how many times I try, my rep tool does no damage to the enemy! In the time it takes me to switch to my weapon (which isn't long, considering I use a mouse and just have to scroll), I'm often already dead.
More WP means more ISK. Before I got my blueprint suit, and Assault Rifle, breaking even wasn't always as easy as it was for my friends who were playing as assaults, sentinels and scouts.
I've been in matches where I was the only one to break 1k WP before, because we were redlined. I've also been in matches where I didn't break 1k or come in the top 5 because my side was doing the redlining and the other team were hiding from us like cowards. The scouts got most WP that match cause they could run in and out the redline fast enough to catch people before the timer ran out.
Logis risk a lot when they are following fat guys around, and more risk = more reward.
So no, they're not OP any more than a heavy is OP at their role, or a scout is at theirs.
Running behind a douche with 1000+ dps gun is so much risky [sarcasm]. Enemies die within 2 secs of fire, they can't do much.
Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth.
Not scared of death [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba].
Honour and Mission over money
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Raptor Princess
ALLOTEC INC
135
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:14:00 -
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Mejt0 wrote:Raptor Princess wrote:I'm not a dedicated logi at all, but I spend more money on my logistics suit than any other, and always have. I use proto rep tools, injectors (and sometimes hives, but usually an advanced uplink instead).
Bearing that in mind, think about how often a logi does compared to a sentinel - they're squishy, yellow and no matter how many times I try, my rep tool does no damage to the enemy! In the time it takes me to switch to my weapon (which isn't long, considering I use a mouse and just have to scroll), I'm often already dead.
More WP means more ISK. Before I got my blueprint suit, and Assault Rifle, breaking even wasn't always as easy as it was for my friends who were playing as assaults, sentinels and scouts.
I've been in matches where I was the only one to break 1k WP before, because we were redlined. I've also been in matches where I didn't break 1k or come in the top 5 because my side was doing the redlining and the other team were hiding from us like cowards. The scouts got most WP that match cause they could run in and out the redline fast enough to catch people before the timer ran out.
Logis risk a lot when they are following fat guys around, and more risk = more reward.
So no, they're not OP any more than a heavy is OP at their role, or a scout is at theirs. Running behind a douche with 1000+ dps gun is so much risky [sarcasm]. Enemies die within 2 secs of fire, they can't do much.
When I'm running as a heavy, I always kill the logi first. And if there is more than 1 enemy, one will always kill the logi. |
Alena Ventrallis
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
2507
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:27:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard.
Its no bull. I've done it before with an all BPO build. But its by no means the norm.
Listen to my muscle memory
Contemplate what I've been clinging to
Forty-six and two ahead of me
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TIGER SHARK1501
Savage Bullet
131
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:37:00 -
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Ha! Ha ha! Ha ha ha ha! Thanks for the reminder because I certainly don't recall being on top of the kdr as a logi. |
Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
482
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Posted - 2015.01.31 03:43:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. Its no bull. I've done it before with an all BPO build. But its by no means the norm.
It is bullshit you can not with a M- logi BPO suit only running reps get that many war points
in this build of the game. At best you would be luck to get 700 - 1k wp avg. This might have
been ture if this was another build but its not so the your spewing bullshit still stands.
Sandwich maker LVL. 5
You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$.
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Sinboto Simmons
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
7547
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Posted - 2015.01.31 04:07:00 -
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7th Son 7 wrote:You haters suck. A good dedicated logi is one of the most passionate players of the game. They will go into enemy positions with their weak *** suit and try to place uplinks etc etc., they always put the teams well being before their own. I don't know what to say....... All these negative responses is kind of a slap in the face to us hardcore logis, sucks.
As a ninja hacker/support I know what you mean, everyone hates us, but never don't need us.
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5 Prof 2
Born of the Brutor tribe
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2015.01.31 04:09:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard.
its not hard to get - dren logi + advanced equipment.
you may die a little more than an advanced logi.....but not too much more. |
Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
482
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Posted - 2015.01.31 04:35:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. its not hard to get - dren logi + advanced equipment. you may die a little more than an advanced logi.....but not too much more.
Prove it.
Sandwich maker LVL. 5
You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$.
My like button is back. C:<
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hold that
Capital Acquisitions LLC
Bad Intention
597
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Posted - 2015.01.31 04:44:00 -
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suck my yellow stream K/D f@gs |
Reign Omega
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
General Tso's Alliance
1164
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Posted - 2015.01.31 05:50:00 -
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Also, why do people act like there are only 2 ways to get wp? Killing and logi. Assaults, scouts, and commandos all have equipment slots, bring some damn snacks to the party instead of just being jealous of the logi buffet. A solid uplink, or needle or hell even a rep tool can net you some steady wp, but you all can't see past point/shoot/die/repeat.
Mark a$$ tricks, and bags of dicks....
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Alena Ventrallis
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
2508
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Posted - 2015.01.31 05:54:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. Its no bull. I've done it before with an all BPO build. But its by no means the norm. It is bullshit you can not with a M- logi BPO suit only running reps get that many war points in this build of the game. At best you would be luck to get 700 - 1k wp avg. This might have been ture if this was another build but its not so the your spewing bullshit still stands.
Squad with me and see. It happens. Not the norm, but I've come out with 3700 before with needle/reps/links, all BPO
Listen to my muscle memory
Contemplate what I've been clinging to
Forty-six and two ahead of me
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Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
486
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Posted - 2015.01.31 06:37:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. Its no bull. I've done it before with an all BPO build. But its by no means the norm. It is bullshit you can not with a M- logi BPO suit only running reps get that many war points in this build of the game. At best you would be luck to get 700 - 1k wp avg. This might have been ture if this was another build but its not so the your spewing bullshit still stands. Squad with me and see. It happens. Not the norm, but I've come out with 3700 before with needle/reps/links, all BPO
You still on squad with me.
Sandwich maker LVL. 5
You've been like by Twelve Gauge = her grabbing your @$$.
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2015.01.31 07:06:00 -
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Reign Omega wrote:Also, why do people act like there are only 2 ways to get wp? Killing and logi. Assaults, scouts, and commandos all have equipment slots, bring some damn snacks to the party instead of just being jealous of the logi buffet. A solid uplink, or needle or hell even a rep tool can net you some steady wp, but you all can't see past point/shoot/die/repeat.
all my assault fits have 3 versions
-uplink
-needle
-hive
when i die i pick the appropriate one......unfortunately its usually the up link one with the biggest sacrifice to fit it.
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2015.01.31 07:07:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. its not hard to get - dren logi + advanced equipment. you may die a little more than an advanced logi.....but not too much more. Prove it.
what you want a SS? |
Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
486
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Posted - 2015.01.31 07:28:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. its not hard to get - dren logi + advanced equipment. you may die a little more than an advanced logi.....but not too much more. Prove it. what you want a SS? seems daft that you can't take anyone on their word when there are so many spawn in with dren logi fit 3x's advanced uplinks set uplinks in the appropriate area's where people will use. find supply depo or wait until death (i.e. go slay for a bit) change suit into dren logi advanced hive advanced needle advanced reptool support the team and stay with large group - slay when needed when you die check if uplink needed. choose logi suit with least uplinks online or th least relivant placings adv up adv needle adv reptool stay with team and stay in large group - slay when needed ect ect.
I'm on now if you would like to squad and prove this to me i'm free and ready.
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taxi bastard
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
378
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Posted - 2015.01.31 07:41:00 -
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Twelve Guage wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. its not hard to get - dren logi + advanced equipment. you may die a little more than an advanced logi.....but not too much more. Prove it. what you want a SS? seems daft that you can't take anyone on their word when there are so many spawn in with dren logi fit 3x's advanced uplinks set uplinks in the appropriate area's where people will use. find supply depo or wait until death (i.e. go slay for a bit) change suit into dren logi advanced hive advanced needle advanced reptool support the team and stay with large group - slay when needed when you die check if uplink needed. choose logi suit with least uplinks online or th least relivant placings adv up adv needle adv reptool stay with team and stay in large group - slay when needed ect ect. I'm on now if you would like to squad and prove this to me i'm free and ready.
tomorrow i will no problem its 7.39 AM (UK) and i need to go to bed. ill finnish work at 4 AM (uk) and will have all the time in the world.
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Raptor Princess
ALLOTEC INC
137
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Posted - 2015.01.31 07:59:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:taxi bastard wrote:Twelve Guage wrote:These kinds of threads always pissing me off.
You say your getting an avg of 2.5k - 3k wp with
only reps and and a ***** M-log build. That is a load
of the lowest quality bullshit I have ever heard. its not hard to get - dren logi + advanced equipment. you may die a little more than an advanced logi.....but not too much more. Prove it. what you want a SS? seems daft that you can't take anyone on their word when there are so many spawn in with dren logi fit 3x's advanced uplinks set uplinks in the appropriate area's where people will use. find supply depo or wait until death (i.e. go slay for a bit) change suit into dren logi advanced hive advanced needle advanced reptool support the team and stay with large group - slay when needed when you die check if uplink needed. choose logi suit with least uplinks online or th least relivant placings adv up adv needle adv reptool stay with team and stay in large group - slay when needed ect ect.
You don't even need to put out all those uplinks to get 3k WP. I've done it with 2 uplinks, adv rep tool and needle in the past. I've seen people get 2.5k with a basic needle, adv rep tool and basic uplink since the changes to revive points came out. Both of these on BPO suits with a BPO weapon.
It really depends on the map though.
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Twelve Guage
Death Firm.
486
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Posted - 2015.01.31 08:00:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:
tomorrow i will no problem its 7.39 AM (UK) and i need to go to bed. ill finnish work at 4 AM (uk) and will have all the time in the world.
Okay your about 5 hours a head of me. I look forward to playing with you.
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Feldt-Grace
Anaheim Electronics Manufacture Company
74
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Posted - 2015.01.31 12:44:00 -
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Min Logi OP? No~ the Six Kin Triage Reptool is OP~
More Rep = shorter range!
TRANS-AM!
Gundam, DUST and more Gameplays
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Mad Syringe
Dead Man's Game
RUST415
445
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Posted - 2015.01.31 13:35:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:**** Logi's
The WP gains from Reps/links needs to be brought down to 15 wp per action
Along with the guardian bonus going down to 25 wp...
Then add a downtime similar to cloak field for rep-tool
A change to links would go really well, how/why *shrugs*
With these changes they could at least earn some of their final score.
- A buff to lower level Equipment would be nice, so Logi's don't stack pro equipment
and then complain about their suit costs being to much (after they CHOOSE to fit proto)
- So the rep-tool for example, would have much less difference in rep amounts between tiers
- I'd say the same for Scanners (but EWAR would need re-working on all frames)
Rant enough it might get changed. SOONtm
As right now it's just crap that a Logi can spawn city, farm wp off his team
Not have to even use their gun and still finish ahead of most other classes
(Tanks/AV can almost compete, other roles cannot in terms of WP)
I've no problem with Logi's being paid for their job, but what about the other 4 suits-roles??
Only thing legit in this is the cooldown for the reptool, to make logis more of a selective triage guy than just following one heavy with a repper and perma lock. Which is not a very smart way to play the role anyway.
Care must be taken though, that this is not overdone. So At least a minute of constant repping and a cooldown of not more than 15 sec. This would lead to a more rotational repping which would also make it more important fot slayers to not overly depend on the dude behind them to pat their kdr...
It's possible to crank out high warpoints in a Apex logi and make lots of money, but that's not very effective. If you want decent support, you will end up putting at least advanced stuff on the suit, and probably even proto modules to have decent survivability. This all comes at a cost, and dying 5 times in a squishy suit means you lost a lot of money, even if you crank out 3000WP+.
It would be less of a problem if we didn't have scouts like you running around, one slashing logis at will, in a completely OP Minja scout...
So you are part of the problem and your rant is just pathetic!
And one last thought D1CK, are you by any chance pissed of that you don't have the ability to farm EQ points as a scout anymore? |
Binx Klepto
Molon Labe.
21
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Posted - 2015.01.31 14:53:00 -
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<-- min logi. Don't hate people the minlogi is balanced yes you can tank it with what ever but can't I tank any other suit in this game anyway. The min is the best medic of all the familys. Deal with it...
Fellow Flaylock Believer
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Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
791
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Posted - 2015.01.31 15:18:00 -
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The people who always hate on logis are usually the same ones too dumb to do anything but strafe and shoot. Never hack, never drop equipment and wonder why thier WP haull is like thier skills, second class.
Its those kinds of players that lets a logi make all that WP. The less people drop equipment, or run a simple logi fit, the more WP goes to the one or two players supporting the team. Even so, lol at the 3,000 wp Average.
Simple stuff like this flies over a lot of forum warrior heads.
'' Its like, you know, i specced into the basic minmatar assult, with a starter combat rifle you know, and now I average 40 - 60 kills a match', assaults are OP.''
Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me.
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Echo 1991
Titans of Phoenix
VP Gaming Alliance
714
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Posted - 2015.01.31 16:01:00 -
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You guys make me laugh. Because a logi earns more wps than an assault it needs a nerf? Are you guys brain dead or something? Its job is to provide support and generally ignore enemies unless they need to try kill them. Triage points do need a slight reduction however. Cos that is OP not the logi. Its not like an assault cant put down links and change to a rep tool suit. Stop complaining that it gains more points for doing its job. |
taxi bastard
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
380
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Posted - 2015.01.31 17:32:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:You guys make me laugh. Because a logi earns more wps than an assault it needs a nerf? Are you guys brain dead or something? Its job is to provide support and generally ignore enemies unless they need to try kill them. Triage points do need a slight reduction however. Cos that is OP not the logi. Its not like an assault cant put down links and change to a rep tool suit. Stop complaining that it gains more points for doing its job.
i never said nerf it or complain. i simply said how its easy to get WP's using a basic mini logi and some guy does not beleive me 
indeed i have mini logi to 5 - but i do think the isk rewards are too high for playing the logistics role. i have always been a believer in that a percentage of everything you kill should go into your pocket. killing proto suits in the heart of the battle should yield alot more financial reward than killing starter fits on the outside. So something like 30% of the value of what you kill should go directly to yourself. |
pumping up
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
125
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Posted - 2015.01.31 17:38:00 -
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taxi bastard wrote:- but i do think the isk rewards are too high for playing the logistics role..
Err did you ever fit a full proto logi? that's quite expensive...
Help me gain the C-II Dropsuit
Pilot & Saboteur
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan
1687
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Posted - 2015.01.31 17:41:00 -
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Nope its supposed to be a WP farm
Pokemon master and Tekken Lord
Give me da iskiez
Gk0 Scout yay :)
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Booby Tuesdays
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1272
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Posted - 2015.01.31 19:44:00 -
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A logi that has Scout level hp is OP? Comical.
Half-Assed Forum Warrior / Half-Decent Commando / Damn Good Logi / Matari Loyalty 7
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TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
1596
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Posted - 2015.01.31 20:10:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:**** Logi's
The WP gains from Reps/links needs to be brought down to 15 wp per action
Along with the guardian bonus going down to 25 wp...
Then add a downtime similar to cloak field for rep-tool
A change to links would go really well, how/why *shrugs*
With these changes they could at least earn some of their final score.
- A buff to lower level Equipment would be nice, so Logi's don't stack pro equipment
and then complain about their suit costs being to much (after they CHOOSE to fit proto)
- So the rep-tool for example, would have much less difference in rep amounts between tiers
- I'd say the same for Scanners (but EWAR would need re-working on all frames)
Rant enough it might get changed. SOONtm
As right now it's just crap that a Logi can spawn city, farm wp off his team
Not have to even use their gun and still finish ahead of most other classes
(Tanks/AV can almost compete, other roles cannot in terms of WP)
I've no problem with Logi's being paid for their job, but what about the other 4 suits-roles??
the solution is not to break something to make something else better... it's better to fix the problem at the source which is not enough WP for kills.. leave the logi WP alone FFS. there should be no nerf to anyones WP that just is gonna **** ppl off even more to make a minority happy.
AKA Zirzo Valcyn
AFKing since 2012
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