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gustavo acosta
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Posted - 2015.01.30 22:29:00 -
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Varoth Drac wrote:Gotta say, I strongly disagree.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Min scout, and I'm really glad it's finally good enough to play with the big boys. But its not the strongest scout.
The fact is, shotguns are superior cqc weapons to nova knives, even with the Min scout damage bonus. The only reasons I use knives over the shotgun are: 1. You can use a light weapon as well. This gives you a slightly better ranged option. This allows more tactical options, even though you are weaker than a shotgun scout up close. Though pairing an smg or bolt pistol with a shotgun is nearly as good. If you stick to cqc, an smg is all you need outside of shotgun range. 2. Those rare occasions where you get a stealthy knife kill and it's helpful to prevent you from drawing attention to yourself. This makes me feel badass, rather than being reliably useful. 3. Kudos. Most people would agree that a knife kill takes more skill than a shotgun, so kills feel better. Maybe I just suck, but I still find getting kills with knives more challenging than most weapons.
EWAR may have been nerfed on scouts. Gallente logi active scans are now the king of scans. They may not be all that common, but they are common enough to give Gal and Cal scouts an advantage by allowing them to avoid detection using one less slot that a Min or Am scout.
Hack speed is good, but is isn't any more useful than dampening. A slightly faster hack speed will not help in most situations. Being able to fit an extra mod as you don't need as many damps is useful. Also, scout passive scans may have been toned down, but they are still a factor, and the fact remains that Min scouts are the worst at this.
Fitting capability. The low pg still punishes Min scouts compared to other scouts. Kinetic catalysers, codebreakers, cloaks and uplinks are all very pg intensive. It's much easier to fit a Gal, Am or Cal scout than a Min.
Not trying to moan, I think Min scouts are great. Its just that I have to disagree with the idea they are superior to Caldari and Gallente scouts. Amarr maybe, but not the others. Even if Min scouts were the best, it's definitely would't be by a wide enough margin to be an issue. Minmatar are supposed to have lower fitting capabilities they have the best base stats(excluding hp). The base stats that min scouts have are better than e-war. E-war is a joke on scouts, even if they get a bonus to it, the active scanner will always be better because it's much easier to use and only requires one slot. Not to mention scouts can't even scan a properly dampened scout so using precision enhancers is a waste of slots when you can have a much more efficient scanner at the price of 1 equipment slot.
Hack speed wins matches, dampening just lets a player get away IF they're not spotted. Again E-war on scouts is a non-factor when compared to the benefits of an active scanner. E-war is no longer a big enough scout factor for it to make a suit "worse," than another suit.
Avoiding detection doesn't do anything, "wow they can't see you, and you're low hp suit because you're dedicated to e-war and can't scan back because the cloak removes all passive scans, and the range of passive scans is awful anyway. you're such a gud player!"
At this point all scouting has been reduced to shield/speed tank(maybe damps) because passive scanning is pointless. Because of this fact the min scout is on/above par to the other scout suits.
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
#We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
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gustavo acosta
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Posted - 2015.01.31 04:15:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote: This statement is especially incorrect. The GalScout is the most versatile Scout. The moment your enemy fields a GA Logi + 28dB scanner, the MinScout's universe of feasible builds is pigeon-holed into only a handful of options. Of all Scouts, the Minmatar is the easiest to counter and the least versatile.
Minmatar Scout has all the stats, that's what makes it versatile. In the grand scheme of things and the current state of E-war, there is no reason that the min scout isn't good.
Shield tank=isn't instakilled by hmg heavies(the most abundant thing on the field)
Knife bonus=ohk weapon always in back pocket.
Best Base Stats of All Scouts=Doesn't have to worry about speed or stamina mods.
Hacking Skill=Can carry a skirm by speed hacking all the objectives.
Shield regen and delays=Doesn't have to wait more than 10 seconds to have full shields returned to their suits
Balanced slot layout=this coupled together with the stats of the min scout allows it to be very versatile.
There is also no solid proof that the gal scout is any more versatile than any of the other scout suits. Care to add some proof so I can debunk it with facts? The scout doesn't need a nerf, but the min scout isn't a terrible suit anymore either, it's instrumental in winning PCs. Any properly dampened scout can avoid all scans, and it's not the only one that is held back because of active scans.
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
#We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
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gustavo acosta
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Posted - 2015.01.31 17:45:00 -
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Samantha Hunyz wrote: This is why when CCP gave out the free respec I got out of scouting and stopped communicating or having anything to do with other scouts. Scouts are the whiniest crybabies in this game and I do not wish to be lumped in with you. Now that cloaks have been fixed and the suits tuned down to appropriate levels I do rock my cal scout again.
I use 1 complex range, damp, and precision. I see everything but heavily damped scouts before they can close the ground on me. I use the cloak to get away or to travel across open ground only.
I use the suit and tools as intended, but majority of scouts believe they should be special forces capable of taking out full squads easily and undetected like some COD rock star. And that whining about the gal scanner, its scan only last 7 seconds. Can you all not hide for that long really?
tl;dr scouts are no longer easy mode FOTM, and takes skill like all suits should be.
Listen here buddy, everyone is fine that E-war is now garbage, or you'd see E-war change proposals up the rectum. The scan changes did not make the game better, it just made it so that E-war was harder to run on the scout(which was its intended role).
The E-war changes did not refine the role of the scout.
The E-war changes did not discourage the real issue of scouts brick tanking.
The E-war changes did not give scouts good reason to sacrifice their highs to precision enhancers over active scanners.
If someone sacrifices all their slots to E-war they get very little benefit compared to the versatility given if someone just a equips an active scanner. It also doesn't make sense that if someone uses all their slots to tanking they get a huge advantage in general, but when a scout dedicates their whole fit to e-war they don't get as much of an advantage, and said advantage is nullified by their main piece of equipment, the cloak.
No scout believes in you assumption, all the fotm chasers have moved to the assault, and it's disgusting that those were the people who decided how scouts should be.
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
#We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
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gustavo acosta
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Posted - 2015.01.31 18:37:00 -
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Samantha Hunyz wrote:@gustavo acosta- Thank you for proving my point. All I saw was a brick wall of tears that scouts should see everything at all distances, and be completely unseen. Ewar is viable and it does not need to fill up all of your slots. You should have to choose between the type of ewar to be best at, or be well above the average in all. Demanding or expecting to have all three is just unrealistic and has been proven to be too powerful.
I personally decided to be above average, and the only people that can scan me are other scouts or heavily ewared logistics (you know the ones that fill there whole suit with ewar thus sacrificing alot). The only people that can sneek up on me are other scouts.
All that proves to me is that you don't know how to read. I never said that range should be changed, I said that if someone uses all their slots for E-war they don't get as much benefit as people who use all their slots for hp tank. I also never said that scouts should be good at all e-war at all times, E-war is a joke because someone who sacrifices 2 slots for scanning gets way less efficiency as someone who uses an active scanner. (maybe you're right suits that don't get a specialization to e-war should be better at it than scouts, I mean it makes complete sense right?)
I'm fine with E-war as it is, I don't have to worry about precision enhancers and it give my gal and min scout way more room to shield tank and all it takes is an equipment slot to scan 90% of the enemy team.
GimmeDatSuhWeet isk
#We found a new pope to teach shield users how to shield tank, all hail pope redblood the 6th
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