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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.02.01 21:09:00 -
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The sword is an outdated and altogether ineffective weapon and something associated with an outdated age of conflict we no longer need nor should want to return to. The rifle is the technology of our age and forever will be. The sword is something that is now ceremonial. It is the symbol of the ageing traditionalist who proposed one seek wisdom from the past rather than looking to the future to ensure the slow decay of the progressive.
I suppose it speak from a more philosophical standpoint that was intended for this discussion however the notion of including such useless and archaic technologies into military rotation somewhat irks me. It is the way of my people to look to the future of such military technologies, to innovate, and combine the new with the old.
It would set a negative precedent for us to look backwards when a great many possibilities extend ahead of us that we can strive towards. It has no place on the battlefield in our time though that's not to say that I do not appreciate the artistry of the craft or the weapon itself.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.02.02 20:20:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Myofibril Stimulants already work well in my opinion. I believe that a long bladed weapon would be too clumsy in CQC. Only a retractable and small weapon would be useful. Anyways, with the current success of Nova Knives any new dropsuit based m+¬l+¬e weapon would struggle to gain a following unless it offered a benefit that the Caldari blades currently lack. Ahh but it does. I believe you all are missing a few keys points of these swords' design. Giving an assassin better range and the ability to hit multiple enemies at once is something I could see myself using, especially in tight quarters where enemies are bound to bunch up. I mean in a situation where you're about to initiate a sneak attack on multiple enemies in a very close quarters formation, as an assassin, would you rather have a weapon that would only be effective against one person at a time, albeit faster at charging and swinging, or a weapon that could swing at multiple people at one time with great damage and potentially give you a high alpha damage through the raijin's sheathed charging ability? Gentleman, I'd always pick the latter.
It is still and outdated weapon , moreover it is incredibly situational and unreliable where a simple rifle would suffice to fill that role and then some.
It's purported merits do not outweigh the incredibly limited applications of the weapon on modern battlefields where conflicts require flexibility of the participant forces. Not only this but significantly more intensive training and more skilled operatives would be required of modern forces and mercenary companies in order to deploy such soldiers with effectiveness, and to market those kinds of soldiers as the forefront of military technology would not be a simple task.
There remains no role for this weapon where a singular entrenched position can decimate entire columns of soldiers and HAV rumble across the battlefield with relative impunity amidst orbital cannon fire.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2015.02.04 23:08:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:My friend, these swords can do half of the things you seem to think only the nova knives can do.
They can multiple enemies multiple times, deal out just as much if not more damage, depending on which variation you get, and are extremely useful in assassinations, as there's no point of concealing weapons on a battlefield unless you're concealing your complete presence and that can be done with a cloak.
Yes, these blades are slower to swing than knives, but they pack a lot of punch for a weapon that can hit multiple enemies within one swing and with a larger range of damage than the shorter ranged knives. With the nova knife, you'd have to focus directly on one enemy at a time and be closer than ever to your enemy, which means you really have to come up with a new array of tactics. The plasma blades would need a new set of tactics as well but unlike the nova knives, as long as you position yourself correctly, you can hit multiple enemies at the same time and at a greater range. And if you didn't, you could continue swinging while in movement until your enemies down. Now with the raijin, you'd be able to pack even more damage with the charging feature, albeit a little slower to swing, most hits would kill the attacker in one strike.
You all seem to lack the taste for innovation, oddly enough, by believing these swords, which have been intended for combat use, are not to be use as intended.
There's nothing functionally wrong with the nova knives. I'm not arguing that they're the lesser weapon. They're clever and extremely potent. I would be an idiot to argue that these swords are just unarguably better than the nova knife.
What I'm saying is, it will grant a lot of potential for CQC situations that the nova knives couldn't offer. A few scenarios play in my head every time speak, as I try myself to argue the usefulness of the swords.
Imagine yourself cloaked in an underground bunker for a null cannon installation. You're infiltrating the objective to perform a bait and switch so that the enemy team at the other null cannons ease up their grip to come defend the contested objective. You know for a fact that it's not vacant and as you come into the room where the interface is located, you see three mercenaries guarding the interface at the center of the room in a triangle formation with enough space in between them that using nova knives would be extremely difficult. However, you packed a Plasma Sword in this fitting. After making sure no one else was in the room, or nearby, you lunge at the first mercenary, killing him in two swings. The other mercenaries quickly reacted but the one to his left was already clipped by the second strike, and was easily to kill with a flawless extra swing. Now the third one is trying to make a gap in distance as he realizes what's going on, but he's too slow and too close for the tactic to not be in vein. Within two strikes, he's dead.
You see, if you had nova knives this would be much more difficult. After taking the first enemy down, you would have died because you couldn't swing at multiple targets. Not only that, but even if you had killed the second one, the third merc would've been right outta reach and left you in a dangerous situation. I would've said that this would be impossible if it wasn't for the fact that some mercenaries are such proficient users of the nova knives that enemy a distanced enemy would be possible for a hit.
I mean, and that's not the only scenario.
Camping in a spot and waiting on multiple tangos to walk by in tight clusters and then cutting through their formation like butter.
Multiple assassins using stealth and coordination to take out about seven or more mercenaries mercenaries in a frenzy of confusion and death.
Sneaking up behind a sentinel and using the raijin's charge feature to break their armor down to the point that you would only need one swing or two to quickly dispatch them.
There's many ways it can be used.
That's not innovation that's compromising the tactical integrity of a unit where other weapons would simply fill the role better and me more suited should the nature of combat drastically alter.
Leave these things for the Tenal Gladiatorial Circuits to pick up, they have no longer have place in military operations. There are far more effective methods of killing that only require a soldier learn to utilise his biologically enhanced body properly.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
16993
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Posted - 2015.02.05 03:10:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:True Adamance wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:My friend, these swords can do half of the things you seem to think only the nova knives can do.
They can multiple enemies multiple times, deal out just as much if not more damage, depending on which variation you get, and are extremely useful in assassinations, as there's no point of concealing weapons on a battlefield unless you're concealing your complete presence and that can be done with a cloak.
Yes, these blades are slower to swing than knives, but they pack a lot of punch for a weapon that can hit multiple enemies within one swing and with a larger range of damage than the shorter ranged knives. With the nova knife, you'd have to focus directly on one enemy at a time and be closer than ever to your enemy, which means you really have to come up with a new array of tactics. The plasma blades would need a new set of tactics as well but unlike the nova knives, as long as you position yourself correctly, you can hit multiple enemies at the same time and at a greater range. And if you didn't, you could continue swinging while in movement until your enemies down. Now with the raijin, you'd be able to pack even more damage with the charging feature, albeit a little slower to swing, most hits would kill the attacker in one strike.
You all seem to lack the taste for innovation, oddly enough, by believing these swords, which have been intended for combat use, are not to be use as intended.
There's nothing functionally wrong with the nova knives. I'm not arguing that they're the lesser weapon. They're clever and extremely potent. I would be an idiot to argue that these swords are just unarguably better than the nova knife.
What I'm saying is, it will grant a lot of potential for CQC situations that the nova knives couldn't offer. A few scenarios play in my head every time speak, as I try myself to argue the usefulness of the swords.
Imagine yourself cloaked in an underground bunker for a null cannon installation. You're infiltrating the objective to perform a bait and switch so that the enemy team at the other null cannons ease up their grip to come defend the contested objective. You know for a fact that it's not vacant and as you come into the room where the interface is located, you see three mercenaries guarding the interface at the center of the room in a triangle formation with enough space in between them that using nova knives would be extremely difficult. However, you packed a Plasma Sword in this fitting. After making sure no one else was in the room, or nearby, you lunge at the first mercenary, killing him in two swings. The other mercenaries quickly reacted but the one to his left was already clipped by the second strike, and was easily to kill with a flawless extra swing. Now the third one is trying to make a gap in distance as he realizes what's going on, but he's too slow and too close for the tactic to not be in vein. Within two strikes, he's dead.
You see, if you had nova knives this would be much more difficult. After taking the first enemy down, you would have died because you couldn't swing at multiple targets. Not only that, but even if you had killed the second one, the third merc would've been right outta reach and left you in a dangerous situation. I would've said that this would be impossible if it wasn't for the fact that some mercenaries are such proficient users of the nova knives that enemy a distanced enemy would be possible for a hit.
I mean, and that's not the only scenario.
Camping in a spot and waiting on multiple tangos to walk by in tight clusters and then cutting through their formation like butter.
Multiple assassins using stealth and coordination to take out about seven or more mercenaries mercenaries in a frenzy of confusion and death.
Sneaking up behind a sentinel and using the raijin's charge feature to break their armor down to the point that you would only need one swing or two to quickly dispatch them.
There's many ways it can be used. That's not innovation that's compromising the tactical integrity of a unit where other weapons would simply fill the role better and be more suitable should the nature of the engagement drastically alter. Leave these things for the Tenal Gladiatorial Circuits to pick up, they have no longer have place in military operations. There are far more effective methods of killing that only require a soldier learn to utilise his biologically enhanced body properly. Isn't a sword to an experienced user, nothing more than an extended part of their body? Couldn't the same be said about a rifle? When I grip my gun, I don't notice the small measurements I make, the complexities of understanding the flow of battle, the ability to understand my tactics like I was born with them. A lot of this is instinct. Pure instinct. A swordsman knows this. A merc knows this. You don't think to yourself "I need to position myself right here, prepare to spin, and use the left door as an exit," you just do it. And again, I've yet to see an actual, proper, argument why the nova knives clearly dominates most of the capabilities of these plasma swords. I've stated in many times and honestly, I'm afraid the only thing you have banking up your feelings is simple opinion.
As it is the same for you. You original post was a tentative question about how we feel seeing such weapons on the battlefield not a mental exercise in the tactical merits of such which are few and far between.
My people put down the sword and spear thousands of year ago on Athra for the Cannon and Musket. We would not be the star spanning power we are not if we relied on the primitive.
The rifle is superior to the sword.
"This is the Usumgal boy, the exalted dragon, wreathed in the fires of heaven. He is a true symbol of God's majesty."
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