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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.01.28 01:49:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Ok, so now it's terrible to be able to earn free Quafe and Faction gear, just by playing... 1) I hate strongboxes, also there is nothing useful in them and I don't buy AUR, pay to win!!!! 2) Adds amazing stuff to strongboxes 3) Why can't I just buy this stuff directly for AUR in the Market 
Missed the point entirely. It's not that we want to buy it directly on the market, it's just we want some guarantee that we're not going to get caught in a long run of bad-luck that requires EXTRAORDINARY amounts of money to find even a single BPO/BPC, let alone the one we're shooting for.
Another factor is that BPO's being in strongboxes insinuate that there's a chance we'll get more than one, which is unnecessary.
There's also the factor of the strongbox/key ratio just from playing the game - it's incredibly one sided. I've got 75+ just chilling in storage and I haven't really played the game in two weeks. The game hands these things out like candy but we're expected to get keys through daily missions (which is skewed as well because they sometimes are only reward for the Savant daily mission, which requires you to spend aurum for the instant boost...)
Everyone hates strongboxes in their current form. They're given out far too freely and -EXPENSIVE- as hell to open at the rate they're given out. It's the fact that we have to not only play the game, but are basically forced to spend exorbitant amounts of money for a -chance- to get the thing we want.
Make sense?
Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8004
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Posted - 2015.01.28 02:49:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Ok, so now it's terrible to be able to earn free Quafe and Faction gear, just by playing... 1) I hate strongboxes, also there is nothing useful in them and I don't buy AUR, pay to win!!!! 2) Adds amazing stuff to strongboxes 3) Why can't I just buy this stuff directly for AUR in the Market Missed the point entirely. It's not that we want to buy it directly on the market, it's just we want some guarantee that we're not going to get caught in a long run of bad-luck that requires EXTRAORDINARY amounts of money to find even a single BPO/BPC, let alone the one we're shooting for. Another factor is that BPO's being in strongboxes insinuate that there's a chance we'll get more than one, which is unnecessary. There's also the factor of the strongbox/key ratio just from playing the game - it's incredibly one sided. I've got 75+ just chilling in storage and I haven't really played the game in two weeks. The game hands these things out like candy but we're expected to get keys through daily missions (which is skewed as well because they sometimes are only reward for the Savant daily mission, which requires you to spend aurum for the instant boost...) Everyone hates strongboxes in their current form. They're given out far too freely and -EXPENSIVE- as hell to open at the rate they're given out. It's the fact that we have to not only play the game, but are basically forced to spend exorbitant amounts of money for a -chance- to get the thing we want. Make sense? Why do you want guaranteed, better looking, not even more powerful gear? I know a few WoW raiders that have the same issue except that their gear is actually better, and they have no guarantees. "Forced" is a very weird word in this circumstance.
Because that's the entire premise of vanity items? O.o;;
Take a look at Warframe for instance. You can totally get some different helmets through playing the game but to my knowledge there's no way to obtain animation sets, color palettes (to color your suit), or different texture patterns through in-game play. It's all monetization based. There's no real 'gamble' at it, the players aren't throwing in $10 to -MAYBE- get what they want among a whole host of other options like we do with the Strongboxes.
It's one thing we've been trying to get through to you guys at CCP is that you have this -GLORIOUS- opportunity to make tones of money by allowing players to spend money to look a certain way on the battlefield without it having to be an 'upgrade' or 'better performing' gear (I.E: BPO's or APEX suits which reduce ISK losses). People will pay for the color schemes.
And yeah, okay, 'forced' is the wrong word... Incentivized/encouraged, more like. I don't really care for the Kaalakiota Scout. I don' want it, I don't run Scout. So if I throw $10 worth of money to get some keys, open up a bunch of strongboxes, I have a -chance- at getting a Kaalakiota Scout just as much as a Roden Sentinel (which is what I want).
It'd be different if there was a trading system where I could trade that Kaalakiota Scout with someone for a Roden Sentinel. I'd be chill with that. But there's not, so, in order to look flashy on the battlefield I have to invest as much money as necessary to get the kittened thing x3
Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8004
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Posted - 2015.01.28 03:01:00 -
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Jonny D Buelle wrote:
Talking to my mate Ulaenyth who runs raids constantly on WoW and picked up WoD preorder and he had this to say about it:
We both think this is a brilliant thing you have done Rattati but at the same time we would like to see Factional Encrypted Keys that will give us a better chance to get Quafe suits for the faction we use. Have it so we earn these through LP and daily missions.
Also personally I would like to have more missions where I can earn more encrypted keys as I only get 1-2 a week in missions. Also I cannot afford to buy mass amounts of keys with Aurum as I have to put my family first.
Edit: Also P2P trading will help with this as well.
Exactly.
Problem is those BPC Aurum stuff are anywhere from $0.03 - $0.05 PER SUIT, which is a lot of money to lose ($5.00 per 100 suits). That's why BPO's are so popular, $10 will net you a permanent cosmetic that not only looks flashy but has a game-changing effect: Reduced ISK losses.
Tack on the fact that we're now gambling for the chance to obtain them with a very limited opportunity through in-game methods (the 1-2 keys a week thing) and these cosmetics are -INSANELY- valuable just because of the amount of time/play/money involved in obtaining them with any sort of consistency.
Even EVE Online is moving away from the 'cost per issue' thing and going to permanent licenses that apply to the ISK cost ship because they realize they're more likely to persuade people to buy the skins if they only have to buy them once xD
Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8030
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Posted - 2015.01.28 06:34:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Every warframe comes with 2 animation sets default to them. They also have bad value considering you cannot preview these things on how they may look on your warframe that isnt the original owner of it.
True, but considering there's no comparison point for Dust 514, a moot point.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Various Color pallets and skin textures of varying degrees are offered throughout the year for a low price of 1k credits or even given for free as a thank you. Also can be considered bad value because you have no idea how they may look on your warframe.
Armor bits and scarfs can be obtained from the Void Trader how well you can farm is all a gamble though worse so than other games RNG though. Also you have no idea how they may look on your warframe.
You can absolutely preview color options on your warframe simply by hovering the mouse over the selected color. Most of the palettes given on sale or for free are often holiday event-themed, such as the Easter palette.
Armor bits/scarves can also be previewed in your arsenal by hovering the mouse over the selected item and the Void Trader will sell them as a random chance with -exceptionally- high in-game costs due to the fact that you have to sell orokin parts en masse (which will take you hours and hours of farming) and then wait for the trader to both come around and just so happen to be offering the item you want.
This is completely different than not knowing what the trader is selling and buying blindly.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sigils are a means of customizing your war-frames chest and back emblems are obtainable via syndicates. You can get other kinds of sigils for amazing feats and luck. (Stalker's) Oddly enough the ONLY thing I noted so far that gives you a preview of what it may look like. Also there is no buy-able sigils aside from the founders pack.
Badges are a means of adorning your shoulders of accomplishments; only one badge is sold for premium currency and that would be your clan's own badge. Rest has to be earned.
Again, sigils have no comparison point in Dust 514 and are thereby a moot point. In either case, you still know what the hell you are getting in some way, shape, or form when making a purchase or working toward that end, even if it is not directly on your suit.
Iron Wolf Saber wrote:
Platinum is trade-able thus in theory all cosmetics can be eventually obtained. However the things people are willing to pay for and the chances of you getting said items are very RNG like probably worse-so than the crates and even more so the market shifts often so by the time you finally get that one thing; people wont be buying it anymore. Based on the current trade times it may take you 150+ traded items just to get some basic cosmetics and of course there is the work effort in making the trade item appealing like modding a card to full energy; a 1000 core and 2,000,000 credit effort at times.
Worst offering from DE?
5 card pack for real money; RNG generally gives you the worst/most worthless cards in the game.
We also have no trading system, and thereby this point is also moot. I have also said that this system would not be nearly as bad if we -DID- have a trading system with which I could trade my "Not what I wanted" BPO for the "What I wanted" BPO.
Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8036
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Posted - 2015.01.28 07:50:00 -
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castba wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Ok, so now it's terrible to be able to earn free Quafe and Faction gear, just by playing... 1) I hate strongboxes, also there is nothing useful in them and I don't buy AUR, pay to win!!!! 2) Adds amazing stuff to strongboxes 3) Why can't I just buy this stuff directly for AUR in the Market Missed the point entirely. It's not that we want to buy it directly on the market, it's just we want some guarantee that we're not going to get caught in a long run of bad-luck that requires EXTRAORDINARY amounts of money to find even a single BPO/BPC, let alone the one we're shooting for. Another factor is that BPO's being in strongboxes insinuate that there's a chance we'll get more than one, which is unnecessary. There's also the factor of the strongbox/key ratio just from playing the game - it's incredibly one sided. I've got 75+ just chilling in storage and I haven't really played the game in two weeks. The game hands these things out like candy but we're expected to get keys through daily missions (which is skewed as well because they sometimes are only reward for the Savant daily mission, which requires you to spend aurum for the instant boost...) Everyone hates strongboxes in their current form. They're given out far too freely and -EXPENSIVE- as hell to open at the rate they're given out. It's the fact that we have to not only play the game, but are basically forced to spend exorbitant amounts of money for a -chance- to get the thing we want. Make sense? Why do you want guaranteed, better looking, not even more powerful gear? I know a few WoW raiders that have the same issue except that their gear is actually better, and they have no guarantees. "Forced" is a very weird word in this circumstance. I think what Aeon is saying is to significantly reduce the drop rate of strongboxes and improve the likelyhood of getting really good stuff in them. That said. Pissy-moany community is, in fact, pissy and moany.
Yeah, I'd be cool with that.
Or a trading system that I can offload the stuff I don't care for in exchange for the stuff I do care for.
Or just being able to buy it outright.
I mean, this just feels like I have to play black jack for a blazer. If I lose, I have to wait until next payday. If I win, I might get a vest... or I could get a hoody... or a trench coat... Or maybe, just maybe, I could get my blazer.
Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
8051
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Posted - 2015.01.28 13:20:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:CCP Rattati wrote:Ok, so now it's terrible to be able to earn free Quafe and Faction gear, just by playing... 1) I hate strongboxes, also there is nothing useful in them and I don't buy AUR, pay to win!!!! 2) Adds amazing stuff to strongboxes 3) Why can't I just buy this stuff directly for AUR in the Market We're bipolar Seriously No we're not. I am
I have depression. But despite my depression often turning to anger (because I'm a man and men don't get sappy), I never let that compromise my stand-points to the point of inconsistency.
Sniper range nerf did nothing but make it harder to counter-snipe redliners. That and open up for really stupid feedback
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