DUST Search - Make firing weapons cause you to flash on radar

MINA Longstrike wrote:

Talos Vagheitan wrote:

When firing your weapon, it should cause you to appear on enemy radar. Of course, taking into account your Scan Profile. Firing each shot would temporarily spike your scan profile, causing you to appear.

Individual weapons could cause different spikes to your profile based on 'loudness'.

In conjunction with this, I'd like to see a futuristic crossbow type weapon that fires silently. It would be decent at mid-close range, with a huge headshot bonus. It would mainly be a style-kill type weapon, but would be extra effective for stealthy scouts if my radar idea was implemented.

Let's up the stealth and Ewar mechanics!

So. I know you like the crossbow idea, but unfortunately eve is based on fairly hard scientific principles (if extrapolated a bit).

There are a few problems with bows / crossbows and arrows:

1) The first problem is that eventually the conversion of potential energy from drawing the bowstrings simply becomes horrifically inefficient, there is an upper limit to draw weights, even with crazy future materials.
2) The second problem is reloading & rate of fire bows / crossbows just don't get enough rounds down field and even if you go with crazy advanced antimatter rounds... it's still more efficient to fire them out of something else.
3) The third problem is that our dropsuits can shrug off sniper rifle rounds travelling at 7000m/s and all sorts of other crazy unbelievably dangerous stuff (scrambler weapons are ****ING LIGHTNING GUNS) that bows and arrows even ones made from super-space technology is like bringing a rock to a black-hole fight or trying to arm-wrestle god.

The principles behind a railgun are much better at accelerating a projectile and they can put more rounds down range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQNHsS-BNs4

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Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 802	Posted - 2015.01.25 23:55:00 - [1] - Quote When firing your weapon, it should cause you to appear on enemy radar. Of course, taking into account your Scan Profile. Firing each shot would temporarily spike your scan profile, causing you to appear. Individual weapons could cause different spikes to your profile based on 'loudness'. In conjunction with this, I'd like to see a futuristic crossbow type weapon that fires silently. It would be decent at mid-close range, with a huge headshot bonus. It would mainly be a style-kill type weapon, but would be extra effective for stealthy scouts if my radar idea was implemented. Let's up the stealth and Ewar mechanics! Who cares what some sniper has to say
tander09 Amarr Empire 229	Posted - 2015.01.26 00:02:00 - [2] - Quote FACEPALM That's not how EWAR works in EVE, so it should not work here. "The feud shall not be forgotten. But those who forget, never witnessed the true horror of it." -Nexle Skimfuse
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 7237	Posted - 2015.01.26 00:27:00 - [3] - Quote It would give no real reason to use active scanners (the most BS thing to ever be added). I still don't understand how out of all the random Sci Fi BS in Dust echo location is apparently not possible lol Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10886	Posted - 2015.01.26 00:52:00 - [4] - Quote No. This will marginalize active scanners and the role of the GalLogis. I'm skilled into it, but my primary skill set is still the knife on my Minscout. There will also be no point in training up scan precision since the map will constantly be lit up like a christmas tree with everyone shooting. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
BLOOD Ruler Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 965	Posted - 2015.01.26 01:00:00 - [5] - Quote Disagree,but I liked the high tech cross bow Feel The Burning Pain Of My Knives While Your Skull And Mind Is Wrecked By My Pistol.
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 877	Posted - 2015.01.26 07:28:00 - [6] - Quote What the hell is with FPS's and crossbows nowadays? And who in hell would use a crossbow when you got plasma weapons melting everything around you, suits that can withstand 20GJ of force, lasers that would set everything on fire and kinetic riflea that would punch a hole in a tank? And also I see no real reason to add a silencer weapon attachment in this game. And I have always found how bs it is that in CoD and BF running a silencer is actually more rewarding than not using one. Even the range you loose by equiping one is not noticeable by equiping one. Not to mention that it will hide you from the minimap when you shoot. In Dust everything is by EWAR. A silencer would not work in this game since shooting won't reveal your location. Changes to Damage mods!
axis alpha Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 493	Posted - 2015.01.26 14:35:00 - [7] - Quote Go play cod. I cut you up so bad.... You gonna wish I no cut you up so bad.
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15266	Posted - 2015.01.26 14:55:00 - [8] - Quote tander09 wrote: FACEPALM That's not how EWAR works in EVE, so it should not work here. Yes, because we can definitely mimic combat mechanics from a Spaceship Simulator and expect it to work in an FPS with no issues whatsoever. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Thaddeus Reynolds Facepunch Security 167	Posted - 2015.01.26 15:08:00 - [9] - Quote Provided in just functions as a spike in scan profile, sounds like a decent idea Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper. Vehicle Re-vamp Proposal
Vulpes Dolosus Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2889	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:04:00 - [10] - Quote MAG had something like this, but iirc it didn't put you on the map, it gave a HUD arrow pointing in that General direction. In fact, they had three such arrows: a grey one as mentioned above, a yellow one indicating incoming fire and its direction, and a third red arrow when you were actually shot showing the direction. If anything were to happen, this is how I'd like it to be, but not an icon over you or on a minimap. Dust is there! I was real! Dear diary, Rattati senpai noticed me today~

Mobius Wyvern Sky-FIRE 5673	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:13:00 - [11] - Quote tander09 wrote: FACEPALM That's not how EWAR works in EVE, so it should not work here. facepalms at people quoting EVE as The Holy Bible reflexively I support Keshava for Gallente Specialist HAV R.I.P. Kesha
MINA Longstrike Kirjuun Heiian 2007	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:33:00 - [12] - Quote Talos Vagheitan wrote: When firing your weapon, it should cause you to appear on enemy radar. Of course, taking into account your Scan Profile. Firing each shot would temporarily spike your scan profile, causing you to appear. Individual weapons could cause different spikes to your profile based on 'loudness'. In conjunction with this, I'd like to see a futuristic crossbow type weapon that fires silently. It would be decent at mid-close range, with a huge headshot bonus. It would mainly be a style-kill type weapon, but would be extra effective for stealthy scouts if my radar idea was implemented. Let's up the stealth and Ewar mechanics! So. I know you like the crossbow idea, but unfortunately eve is based on fairly hard scientific principles (if extrapolated a bit). There are a few problems with bows / crossbows and arrows: 1) The first problem is that eventually the conversion of potential energy from drawing the bowstrings simply becomes horrifically inefficient, there is an upper limit to draw weights, even with crazy future materials. 2) The second problem is reloading & rate of fire bows / crossbows just don't get enough rounds down field and even if you go with crazy advanced antimatter rounds... it's still more efficient to fire them out of something else. 3) The third problem is that our dropsuits can shrug off sniper rifle rounds travelling at 7000m/s and all sorts of other crazy unbelievably dangerous stuff (scrambler weapons are **ING LIGHTNING GUNS) that bows and arrows even ones made from super-space technology is like bringing a rock to a black-hole fight or trying to arm-wrestle god. The principles behind a railgun are much better at accelerating a projectile and they can put more rounds down range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQNHsS-BNs4 Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.** I have a few alts.
Derpty Derp Dead Man's Game 669	Posted - 2015.01.26 17:46:00 - [13] - Quote Atiim wrote: tander09 wrote: FACEPALM That's not how EWAR works in EVE, so it should not work here. Yes, because we can definitely mimic combat mechanics from a Spaceship Simulator and expect it to work in an FPS with no issues whatsoever. We could at a very... Veeeery long stretch, suggest that the planets we're fighting on have no atmosphere and therefore sound will have a hard time traveling anywhere. But that's only if we're feeling lazy. Vulpes Dolosus wrote: MAG had something like this, but iirc it didn't put you on the map, it gave a HUD arrow pointing in that General direction. I could have swore it did put a red dot on the map and above your head, but only if you weren't using a silencer. You can already locate someone who's firing a weapon, if it hits you you get the indicator. If it doesn't hit you, you can spin a little and (thanks to the wonder of multiple speakers) figure out which direction it came from. Personally I'd rather have less things popping up and pointing people out, it's like no one actually wants to use their eyes and ears.
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 811	Posted - 2015.01.26 19:12:00 - [14] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Talos Vagheitan wrote: When firing your weapon, it should cause you to appear on enemy radar. Of course, taking into account your Scan Profile. Firing each shot would temporarily spike your scan profile, causing you to appear. Individual weapons could cause different spikes to your profile based on 'loudness'. In conjunction with this, I'd like to see a futuristic crossbow type weapon that fires silently. It would be decent at mid-close range, with a huge headshot bonus. It would mainly be a style-kill type weapon, but would be extra effective for stealthy scouts if my radar idea was implemented. Let's up the stealth and Ewar mechanics! So. I know you like the crossbow idea, but unfortunately eve is based on fairly hard scientific principles (if extrapolated a bit). There are a few problems with bows / crossbows and arrows: 1) The first problem is that eventually the conversion of potential energy from drawing the bowstrings simply becomes horrifically inefficient, there is an upper limit to draw weights, even with crazy future materials. 2) The second problem is reloading & rate of fire bows / crossbows just don't get enough rounds down field and even if you go with crazy advanced antimatter rounds... it's still more efficient to fire them out of something else. 3) The third problem is that our dropsuits can shrug off sniper rifle rounds travelling at 7000m/s and all sorts of other crazy unbelievably dangerous stuff (scrambler weapons are **ING LIGHTNING GUNS) that bows and arrows even ones made from super-space technology is like bringing a rock to a black-hole fight or trying to arm-wrestle god. The principles behind a railgun are much better at accelerating a projectile and they can put more rounds down range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQNHsS-BNs4 Like I said, this weapon's primary purpose would be for style, not efficiency, just like Nova knives currently. There could be a few stealth related perks to using it, to the point where it's actually viable, but it would definitely never be the most efficient weapon on the field. And don't spiel about drawing bowstrings. Who says it needs to be a physical string, the gun just needs to look like a crossbow. It's for fun Remember the golden rule: Gameplay > Realism** Who cares what some sniper has to say
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2434	Posted - 2015.01.26 20:16:00 - [15] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: Provided in just functions as a spike in scan profile, sounds like a decent idea I agree. If the spike were a flat increase (not percentage based) and variable per weapon system this would be an awesome addition IMHO. Energy weapons would have the least increase, followed by Hybrid and then Projectile would be the most significant increase. Make it something like +3 to Scan Profile for Energy Weapons, +6 for Hybrid and +10 for Projectile. We the pc players make up a huge majority of active players. --Roman837 ^^ROFLMAO OMG I need to catch my breath now..


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