DUST Search - Kinetic Catalyzer Rework

Oceltot Mortalis wrote:

This may not apply to everyone's suit, and for that I am open to suggestions and other work arounds. tl;dr at the bottom.

Recently, I noticed that Gallente are slow. The slowest race of all.

Native to armor tanking, they have a penalty to movement speed inherent to doing anything helpful on the field. And beyond that, they have just a little more than HALF the stamina of the Amarr. So I went ahead and fit an enhanced kinetic catalyzer to my Gallamando, thinking "Finally! I'll be able to close the distance on my opponents and be able to apply the range of an Assault Rifle!"

Not so fast.
You see the KinCats apply a percentage bonus, so if you have hardly any speed to begin with then you are SOL. You will have to sacrifice all armor recovery and buffer to get anywhere near decent speeds.

*Pulls up le numbers (with no modules on suits besides those mentioned)

Gallente Commando with my skills
Stamina - 131.25 Units
Sprint (with no KinCats) - 5.95 m/s
Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 6.44 m/s
Sprint (2 PRO KinCats) - 7.41 m/s <---- *Should be noted, this is a fail fit. Does not do well.

Amarr Commando with my skills
Stamina - 210 Units
Sprint - 5.66 m/s

Gallente Assault with my skills
Stamina - 183.75 Units
Sprint (with no KinCats) - 7.35 m/s
Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 7.96 m/s
Sprint (2 PRO KinCat) - 9.15 m/s <---- *Should be noted, I havent tried this. It might break the hit box detection.

Gallente Scout with my skills
Stamina - 210 Units
Sprint (w/o KinCats) - 8.01 m/s
Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 8.67 m/s
Sprint (2 PRO KinCats) - 9.97 m/s <---- *Should be noted, breaks hit box detection.

Minmatar Scout with my skills
Stamina - 236.25 Units
Sprint (w/o KinCats) - 8.31 m/s
Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 8.99 m/s
Sprint (2 PRO KinCats) - 10.33 m/s <---- *Should be noted, breaks hit box detection.

Notice the difference between Amarr and Gallente.
Slightly slower, but can sprint almost twice as long.
Other notable item, Gallamando increases 1.46 m/s with 2 proto KinCats.
Whereas the Scout (who doesn't need much help to begin with) increases 1.96 m/s.
That's an entire ADV KinCat added to the scout for simply having more speed to start with.

So what I am suggesting, is a flat bonus to KinCats. Here's why.

With the facts from above supporting, KinCats are significantly nerfed for any suit that want's to increase horrible speed, but has low speed to begin with. The commando has to become a paper thin, PG raped dropsuit to close the gap to the assault suit it is competing with directly. On top of that, speed tanking is much less effective due to the enormous hit box that the heavy frame supplies it.

tl:dr

Militia KinCat +.25 m/s
Basic KinCat +.33 m/s
Enhanced KinCat +.66 m/s
Complex KinCat +.99 m/s


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Vesta Opalus T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K General Tso's Alliance 351	Posted - 2015.01.26 15:44:00 - [1] - Quote Oceltot Mortalis wrote: This may not apply to everyone's suit, and for that I am open to suggestions and other work arounds. tl;dr at the bottom. Recently, I noticed that Gallente are slow. The slowest race of all. Native to armor tanking, they have a penalty to movement speed inherent to doing anything helpful on the field. And beyond that, they have just a little more than HALF the stamina of the Amarr. So I went ahead and fit an enhanced kinetic catalyzer to my Gallamando, thinking "Finally! I'll be able to close the distance on my opponents and be able to apply the range of an Assault Rifle!" Not so fast. You see the KinCats apply a percentage bonus, so if you have hardly any speed to begin with then you are SOL. You will have to sacrifice all armor recovery and buffer to get anywhere near decent speeds. Pulls up le numbers (with no modules on suits besides those mentioned) Gallente Commando with my skills Stamina - 131.25 Units Sprint (with no KinCats) - 5.95 m/s Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 6.44 m/s Sprint (2 PRO KinCats) - 7.41 m/s <---- Should be noted, this is a fail fit. Does not do well. Amarr Commando with my skills Stamina - 210 Units Sprint - 5.66 m/s Gallente Assault with my skills Stamina - 183.75 Units Sprint (with no KinCats) - 7.35 m/s Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 7.96 m/s Sprint (2 PRO KinCat) - 9.15 m/s <---- Should be noted, I havent tried this. It might break the hit box detection. Gallente Scout with my skills Stamina - 210 Units Sprint (w/o KinCats) - 8.01 m/s Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 8.67 m/s Sprint (2 PRO KinCats) - 9.97 m/s <---- Should be noted, breaks hit box detection. Minmatar Scout with my skills Stamina - 236.25 Units Sprint (w/o KinCats) - 8.31 m/s Sprint (1 ADV KinCat) - 8.99 m/s Sprint (2 PRO KinCats) - 10.33 m/s <---- Should be noted, breaks hit box detection. Notice the difference between Amarr and Gallente. Slightly slower, but can sprint almost twice* as long. Other notable item, Gallamando increases 1.46 m/s with 2 proto KinCats. Whereas the Scout (who doesn't need much help to begin with) increases 1.96 m/s. That's an entire ADV KinCat added to the scout for simply having more speed to start with. So what I am suggesting, is a flat bonus to KinCats. Here's why. With the facts from above supporting, KinCats are significantly nerfed for any suit that want's to increase horrible speed, but has low speed to begin with. The commando has to become a paper thin, PG raped dropsuit to close the gap to the assault suit it is competing with directly. On top of that, speed tanking is much less effective due to the enormous hit box that the heavy frame supplies it. tl:dr Militia KinCat +.25 m/s Basic KinCat +.33 m/s Enhanced KinCat +.66 m/s Complex KinCat +.99 m/s I'd rather see a bonus to kincat performance on assault frames rather than a global change to kincats. And it should be noted the minmatar assault can get super fast (I think 9.7m/s with 2 modules?) with kincats, so Im not sure even that wouldnt be overpowered as hell. All I know is that I definately dont want to see a minmatar sentinel going faster than they already can if they stack kincats.