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Dear Community
I do know that we are in a state of doing many wonderful and new things; So while we are touching up on stuff we can maybe take a chance take a serious look at the names of some objects in Dust 514 and ensure consistency with the universe that it belongs in New Eden.
The opportunity to correct some naming conventions is coming pretty soon for a whole category within Dust 514. Vehicles and I invite all of you lore nuts to help out.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2583382#post2583382 As mentioned here we going to be introducing a whole bunch of new toys and the sorts.
So in order to help out; I am gathering information for two things for suggestion.
1. Vehicle Progression Series Naming Convention
Similar to how Dropsuits are named with AK.0 A/1 and A-1 for progress; we need to ask the same question for vehicles when they are being introduced in a manner. Do we name them all different hulls or do we go the route of the drop suits or do we do something completely different?
Based on the Proposal by CCP Rattati as of 1/22/2015 the Gallente HAV line-up would look like this
Militia (MEDIUM) HAV - Soma (MBT) Standard HAV - Madrugar (MBT) Adv HAV - ??? (MBT) Proto HAV - ??? (MBT) Standard Solo HAV - ??? (MBT) Adv Solo HAV - ??? (MBT) Proto Solo HAV - ??? UHAV - Surya DHAV - Vayu
So how do we go about naming all of them?
A few suggestions include: -Unique Names to all Hulls -Series Naming, Solo HAV series gets a new name, Conventional G-1, G/1, Gk.0 to be used for series. -Dual Series, Solo HAV adopts Madrugar as its name but G-2, G/2, Gk.1 to be used for its series. or a suggestion of your own.
Then for our second part.
Naming the Vehicles; We have the following categories to start gathering names for
Caldari Ground Vehicles - is included on this list because they are all named after weapons a clear break away from normal caldari naming conventions throughout all of new eden. Names of caldari vessels often follow animal naming conventions in both reality and mythos.
1. LAV - Militia - Military 2. HAV - Militia - Military - DHAV - UHAV
Amarr Vehicles - (insert guideline)
1. LAV - Militia - Military 2. HAV - Militia - Military - DHAV - UHAV 3. DS - LDS - ADS
and finally Minmatar Vehicles - (insert guideline)
1. LAV - Militia - Military 2. HAV - Militia - Military - DHAV - UHAV 3. DS - LDS - ADS
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Posted - 2015.01.22 07:32:00 -
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Reference examples here.
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Gathered Suggestions here.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 09:31:00 -
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I think there will be people who are fond of many of the Caldari ground vehicle names. However since they're not caldari in nature I say we give the names to where they're more appropriate. The Minmatar.
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Stupid Blueberry wrote:Please do consider that the Nappani language (Caldari) is not just Japanese, it's Japanese and Finnish. Don't forget your double k's and your ou's.
Caldari ancestry harkens to americans and japanese. The Achruan people has lately been gaining influence.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:07:00 -
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Nao Kun wrote:Proto Gallente HAV... 'Naorugar'
other
Amatelas
Susanoh
Japanese famous God's Name :)
Oi,
Kun San,
Dare wo desu jin ka? Dono yo na ka?
Dobutus ka? dono yona shurui ka?
Domo gomen, Google warui hinshitsudearu - idina haji IWS half nippon.
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True Adamance wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:So jumping back to some of the data that galm fae and I came up with for the 'loyalty rank names' thread and linguistic influences
Caldari = Japanese influences Gallente = Greek influences (chaotic beings) Amarr = Abrahamic language influences, though latin names end up being favored because charlegmange. Minmatar = Norse language influences.
For caldari I would suggest Raiju (lightning-beast), Nue (Japanese chimera). For minmatar I'd suggest names of norse dragons, giants, animals or spirits. Jotunn, Fafner, Vaettr For gallente I'd suggest names of greek influence either focusing on armor, military or 'chaos' themes, so stuff like Kataphrakt (heavily armored cavalry), xiphos/kopis (Spartan short swords), Hoplon/Aspis (Spartan shield) For amarr it's a bit harder to pin, they like themes of light, fire, religion and judgement, or things that promote their own nobility. Words like Malik (king), Sarak (overseer), Batal (champion) would all be pretty appropriate, making their tanks all sound like kings of the battlefield. The Assyrian term Asir/ Ashir also means "overseer" with a direct relevance to the Gods. Specifically I one I found was Asur. As I mentioned in the other threads I could suggest something originating out the our own cultures that have developed in the deserts and arid regions of the world. Amarrish is displayed in many different forms from latin to script based like Arabic writings and such. I've also heard it described as something like Castillian or Judaic Spanish with influences from both Europe and the central east. Anshar/Anshur - which means "sky pivot" which is comprised of the terms An "heaven" and Shir/Shur "horizon" Kishar/Kishur - which means "earth pivot" or where the earth ends an is comprised of Ki "earth" and Shir/Shur "horizon" it also means "whole earth" Kur - Which means "great land", "great mountain", and referenced the Sumerian first "ever dragon" but also refers to the Underworld. An-Kur - which I simply refers to "great holy land", "great holy mountain", and "divine ever dragon" (as a fire belcher I thought this was fitting. Livyatan- the old Hebrew term for Leviathan Liwyatan- Tiberian for Leviathan meaning "coiled, snaking" Karkadan/ Kargadan/Kharga - which references and Arabic parallel to the unicorn which was violent and carnivorous and is often depicted as a rhinoceros Usumgal (Usumgalu) - Sumerian in origin meaning "great dragon" Musmahhu - Sumerian in origin meaning "exalted dragon" Marduk - Was a deity of the storms and an Usamgalu Thallath - referencing the ocean was a term used when describing something monstrous of the oceans. Sharur- is a legendary mace from Mesopotamian mythology with the ability to exorcise Shedu Shedu- Storm Demons from mythology I have more but I am trying to work through them all.
Have to watch out because everything babylonian and sumarian generally goes to Gallente instead of Amarr.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Anshar https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Sin
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:22:00 -
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thehellisgoingon wrote:I would rather ride in a:
Catfish BA-DONKADONK Shrew Porcupine Cheeseburger PAY2WIN 4x4
Done
Hassar Nataraja Sorex Hellion Treif Midas
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:23:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:I want Madrugar to be changed into Kataphrakt.
It sounds more threatning, and fits the name of a tank. That and Madrugar in spanish means to get up early in the morning. So I kinda laughed when I saw the Gallente's tank name when I first joined.
But if ADV and PRO hulls get to have their own name, I wouldn't mind if Kataphrakt goes into either one of them.
Rather save for the cold day in hell we get mtacs.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:36:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Buwaro Draemon wrote:I want Madrugar to be changed into Kataphrakt.
It sounds more threatning, and fits the name of a tank. That and Madrugar in spanish means to get up early in the morning. So I kinda laughed when I saw the Gallente's tank name when I first joined.
But if ADV and PRO hulls get to have their own name, I wouldn't mind if Kataphrakt goes into either one of them. Rather save for the cold day in hell we get mtacs. Now you touched a feel there But if (or whenever) we get MTACS, I believe it would be better to name the Gallente one after some beast like Ogre for example. Tho if you are coming from the anime side, I see what you did there (For those that don't know Mechs in the anime Aldnoah.Zero are called Kataphrakts)
Its a sensible name considering that Kats are typically the calvary replacement (helicopters our current calvary are likely no longer as viable as the used to be in that war environment in where the highly lethal mecha running around.); the deployment of them and mobility they're used for out strips standard infantry and tank divisions immensely. I mean heck the main squad is called mustang in that anime.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:52:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Seraph (ADS) - of the Angelic Host (Breakin Stuff) Elohim (LDS) - A name for a god (Breakin Stuff) Throne (Milita DS) - A place for a king (Breakin Stuff)
These are incorrect.
They are all angelic choirs.
You missed one.
Malakhim - generic word for angels. Literal translation: messengers.
Sorry I was looking up the oldest existence or ancestry of the words for categorization and definitions.
Host/choir are synonymous for groups of angels.
Malik predates its dirrative Malakhim.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:59:00 -
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Anyways
My suggestion
HAV STD Gunnlogi C-1 ADV Gunnlogi C/1 Gunnlogi CK.0
Solo HAV STD Gunnlogi C-2 ADV Gunnlogi C/2 Gunnlogi CK.1
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:10:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Anyways
My suggestion
HAV STD Gunnlogi C-1 ADV Gunnlogi C/1 Gunnlogi CK.0
Solo HAV STD Gunnlogi C-2 ADV Gunnlogi C/2 Gunnlogi CK.1 >Implying proto tanks.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2583382#post2583382
Implying proto tanks.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 14:55:00 -
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Naming your own "insert name" class war barge is not an issue.
In the same manner everyone's favorite stellar trekking ship is a sovereign class heavy cruiser.
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Alex-ZX wrote:Some other beasts and names from Nordic myth are: Arvak is a horse. Alsvid is another horse from the god of the sun. Draugr is a ghost this are treasures keepers. Fylgja is a weird creature that takes an animal shape to go with someone. Garm is like the serberus from Nordic myth, is a dog that protects the doors of Hela. Another god. Geri and Freki both were Odin's wolfs. Helhest is a horse associated with the kingdom if the dead. Nidhogg is a dragon that eats the roots of "tree if the life". Vordr is a spirit that follows everyone lifes.
All of them are "creatures" of Nordic myth that may fit well as a name for those new tanks.
Nidhogg and Hel already taken in eve side unfortunately.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 17:35:00 -
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Alex-ZX wrote:Alfanje Cimitarra Falcat Jian Khopesh Spatha Shamsir
Those are names of blades and swords also for minmatar race Another one already taken is Sica
I already swinged a convincing argument to get the names changed so Sica's free again and hopefully no longer caldari.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:08:00 -
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Please note there are no adv or prototype DHAVs or UHAVs yet.
The only two getting full teir linup would be the solo havs and standard HAVs.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 20:59:00 -
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On other news I am putting
Keshava (or likely just Kesha to avoid infuriating anyone)
Forward as a potential name to be used for special circumstances involving one of the more active community members.(if he wants to explain it here Ill let him)
The question is where would such name fall under?
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:00:00 -
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Valkyrie is already taken for the minmatar attack drone. Which are about the size of a large tank.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:04:00 -
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Those of you wondering about Keshava https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=188463&find=unread
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:True Adamance wrote: Livyatan- the old Hebrew term for Leviathan
While I don't know the origin of the world, I'm not sure it meant Leviathan. This word is still actively used and it means whale.
Whale names are generally reserved for ORE. Also Leviathan itself is already taken name for the Caldari Titan ship.
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:I'm going to be stuck in a golden tank with very unimaginative names aren't I?
Hark ye ol shrew! Ones own word is not a must of creation uniqueness but one of memorable fear and woton.
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Posted - 2015.01.25 15:43:00 -
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Talon Paetznick II wrote:names that just have to be included
Ragnarok-Norse apocalypse/destruction of the world - min ADS, Min HAV , or warbaradge type inquisition- "nobody expects the Inquisition" should be in the flavor text- ammar HAV, ADS, or warbaradge type
other good names
hell-fire - ammar ADS,HAV,orbital judgement- ammar HAV, ADS, or warbaradge revelation- ammar ADS Athena - gal HAV or ADS Hercules- Gal HAV war scythe - min HAV Juggernaut- min HAV guerrilla- as in the tactics - min LAV or RDS
fun names
DUI -LAV no brakes- LAV soccer mom- LAV
Judgement already taken Revelation also taken Scythe also taken
Juggernaught is more likely to be a ship classification.
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Posted - 2015.01.26 02:02:00 -
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Sorry I haven't updated the candidate lists of names in a while Ill get right on it now.
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MetalWolf-Cell wrote:My Names For HAVs Caldari PRO HAV - Xanthus - one of the immortal horses of Achilles Caldari PRO DHAV - Lamia - Demons that prey on children Caldari ADV HAV - Abarimon - Savage humanoid with backward feet Caldari ADV DHAV - Batsu - Chinese drought spirit Caldari STD DHAV - Canaima - Were-Jaguar Amarr PRO HAV - Ladon - A dragon guarding the golden apples Amarr PRO DHAV - Apollyon - A place of Destruction Amaar ADV HAV - Cherubim - Angelic Beings Amarr ADV DHAV - Mara - Female night demon Amarr STD HAV - Orobas - An Honest oracle classified as a demon Amarr STD DHAV - Upinis - A river spirit Gallente PRO HAV - Sarimanok - Bird of good Fortune Gallente PRO DHAV - Cerastes - Flexible horned snake Gallente ADV HAV - Geryon - A giant with 3 heads, 6 arms, and 3 torsos Gallente ADV DHAV - Tritons - Human fish hybrid Gallente STD DHAV - Vrykolakas - Undead Wolf-Human Minmatar PRO HAV - Svalinn - A shield that stands before the suns to prevent earth from burning Minmatar PRO DHAV - Bennu - A bird equivalent to the phoenix Minmatar ADV HAV - Einherjar - Spirit of brave warriors Minmatar ADV DHAV - Habrok - The greatest Hawk to live Minmatar STD HAV - Hypnalis - A snake that kills it's victims when they are asleep Minmatar STD DHAV - Jinn - Spiritual creatures
Lots of these are entirely for the wrong factions. :( Also Eve seems to shy away from very humanoid mythological creatures
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Posted - 2015.01.26 10:38:00 -
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Monty Mole Clone wrote:eviscerator and flayer for any of the amarr vehicles
Flayer already used for amarr land mines unfortunately.
Eviscerator can go either for amarr or minmatar; I am leaning
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True Adamance wrote:Middas Betancore wrote:There's several Caldari ship names that are not birds...sooo...what we doin? It's basically birds and certain kinds of mythological icons. Tengu Leviathan Cerberus Etc So IWS is basically accruing birds/avian titles and whatever japanese and mythological names he feels is appropriate.
Tengu is often thought to take form of a crane.
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Middas Betancore wrote:Confused as to what's go or not on caldari...their ships are birds and animals
Where we supposed to be going on this?
So far caldari generally favors things that fly to which makes sense considering the spaceships also fly. It would not be a long shot for ground vehicles to be named after things that occupy that space. They have affinity for snakes, birds, and dip into species of mythological animals particularly ones that do not belong to specific deities and are just there part of the natural or mythological world. Humanoid creatures are often avoided for the most part so far.
Also mind you the caldari name things after their 'modern' animals. A kitsune for example is a snake found on achuran homeworld that uses hypnosis on its prey similar to cuttlefish though unfortunately there is no list of animals readily available. This is probably why any mythological beings used in caldari line up has to be a species like deal. Chimeras, kitsune, Tengu, Roks, Drakes, Wyverns, Leviathans, Animals like Slephnir, 4 horses of the apocalypse,
Mythological animals of higher importance fall to gallente.
Why Japanese influence?
Same as the other races; has more to do with ancestry and how they managed to preserve SOME of the old culture. Achuran are descendants of the Japanese people and have ever since they joined the state have been a growing influence on the government and military affairs of whole.
Caldari Navy UNITS (ships still bear the class names) are often named after Japanese military units.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:00:00 -
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Should also note that some manufacuters favor a name style well at times generally expressed with the tech 2 ships of new eden so that could be something to use for your own naming schemes.
I tried to update the big list but ran out of characters. well just have to have the entire thread available for feedback regardless.
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MINA Longstrike wrote:I wouldn't really think any of the vehicles fall into the 'tech two' category though, would they? If so I still don't believe they have designated manufacturers.
They do not;
Doesn't stop one from pretending there is a trend.
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Please note that the Marduk and Gladius are currently placeholders.
One convention moving forward though is that all ADV and PRO hulls are going to follow the dropsuit format. Thus
G-1 G/1 GK.0 series.
Meanwhile continue to pile up the names Ill see about arranging the list to make for more room.
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True Adamance wrote:IWS would you accept for the Amarr vehicles names from the following two naming schemes
- Ranks within a hierarchy ( Malik, Batal, etc) - States and or stages of Enlightenment (Ahriant, Ahimsa, etc)
Last names I suggested you chose to appropriate and use for other purposes.
I have no final say so on any of the names used on anything mind you I can pursue conventions and needs and with community support can try to get thing names specifically but final decision lies with Game Design.
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True Adamance wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:True Adamance wrote:IWS would you accept for the Amarr vehicles names from the following two naming schemes
- Ranks within a hierarchy ( Malik, Batal, etc) - States and or stages of Enlightenment (Ahriant, Ahimsa, etc)
Last names I suggested you chose to appropriate and use for other purposes. I have no final say so on any of the names used on anything mind you I can pursue conventions and needs and with community support can try to get thing names specifically but final decision lies with Game Design. I mean will you list them as opposed to not listing them. Doesn't matter if they are selected or not.
If its in this thread consider it listed.
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Posted - 2015.02.26 22:10:00 -
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Updated the big list; removed specific named angels out of the amarr list and specific things that of to god as they both seem currently absent in the amarrian name lineup.
Now with more room for everything!
Also if you find an obscure name please link its source so additional research and proper classing can be done.
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Nothing in current rosters would line up also the fiction is rather fresher than most other things. its more ofr world of warcraf than us.
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:True Adamance wrote:I still maintain Ashir or Asir should be a name of the Amarr HAV. It does not refer to the name of a God its a term that refers to one being an Overseer with specific relevance to a position of religious authority in the name of various gods.
Additionally Usumgal [Usumgallu] I stand by though unlike to meet the list as it is not the name of a God but the term used to describe a specific kind of deity. Depending on which sources you draw from it could either be a traditional fire breathing four legged dragon or a lion-eagle hybrid.... again not the name of a god just a specific aspect of mythology.
How foes Ashir for with what an HAV is though? Wouldn't a word/name that means "overseer" be more fitting for something more... overseer-y. HAVs are vehicles of pure war. Ashir sounds like it would be a better name for a logistics vehicle of some sort. Perhaps Logistics Dropships when they return and we get AmDSs...? I feel we could follow the sword-based names we've given HAVs in the past(and the immenent Gladius) and call the Amarr HAV the Yataghan, which is a Turkish/Ottoman short saber with a forward curve.
Amarr have never named anything after weapons though.
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True Adamance wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:True Adamance wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:True Adamance wrote: I can somewhat agree the Dust side stuff doesn't absolutely need to adhere to the EVE side naming conventions...... but certainly should attempt to follow the general guidelines laid down.
That's basically what I'm saying. There doesn't need to be the exact same naming conventions for terrestrial vehicles and spaceships. In fact, it would be silly if there were. Caldari HAVs named after birds? Minmatar vehicles named after storms? That just seems so fundamentally wrong. I just makes sense for there to be slightly different thematic naming for extremely differing groups of vehicles. But yeah, generally follow the same guidelines. >For the Amarr, keep the naming phonetically lore-friendly, and roughly religious. So keep them "Middle Eastern/Fertile Crecent" sounding. I'm going to suggest that maybe we could name them after old Emperors... that would be ludicrously lore-friendly. >For the Gallente, keep the names Greek. Real simple. >For the Caldari, keep them named after animals. I almost want to suggest fish based names for their vehicles, as birds names are just dumb outside of dropships. Fish just seem fitting for some reason... >There are a good amount of legendary Nordic weapons to name Minmatar stuff after... just a suggestion. Gungnir. Gram. Mjolnir. Tyrfing... Honestly..... GOD NO. Who in the name of Amarr wants to drive a Heideran or a Jamyl? There's got to be a few decent sounding Imperial names... And if there isn't, we make some **** up! There are 1000s of years with of Amarrian culture that still hasn't been completely covered, and hundreds of Emperors we don't know the names of. Surely we can make up some awesome sounding names... And who would name something after after the current leader? That's just bad taste. You always name them in memory... No Jamyls will be driving around. Dano Gheinok, the founder of the Amarr religion, reign years unknown. Amash-Akura, the founder of the Empire, reign years unknown. Molok the Deceiver, an usurper, reign years unknown. [not a true emperor] Zaragram II, 21346 AD - 21460 AD. Damius III, 22462 AD - 22626 AD. Velenus IV, 22626 AD - 22729 AD. Heideran VII, 23041 AD - YC 105. Doriam II, YC 105 - YC 107. Dochuta Karsoth, YC 107 - YC 110. [usurper and Blood Raider filth] None strike me as particularly good tank names....plus the naming tanks after people is a murican thing.
Emperor HAV :P
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Amarr HAV: Archon/penitent/Fury
Minmatar HAV: Einherjar, Gungnir, Niffleheim
Niffelhiem is already used by the angel cartel.
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Amarr HAV: Archon/penitent/Fury
Minmatar HAV: Einherjar, Gungnir, Niffleheim Niffelhiem is already used by the angel cartel. Hurrr? Where?
NPC ranks and I believe one of their still unique to them frigates is also another. Angels almost have enough unique ships to be a 5th race; second closest would now be the jovians.
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Maximus Mobius wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:Obelisk and Scimitar are already used in eve Really? I dont play EVE so I couldnt know
Massive list near the start contains all the ones already used.
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Hecate and Jackdaw are now taken. Tech 3 dessies of the gallente federation and caldari state have taken these names. Sorry :(
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Chances are those are older classes of dropships (sparrows carry 50 people for example) Most of the new clone tech is designed for us.
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Couple new amarrian sounding names I came across.
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