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CCP Rattati wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

Soraya Xel wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

I do know that commanders don't want players in their tanks, and that is the olive branch of solo HAvs, unlockable through specialization.

Solo HAVs should not be as powerful as MBTs though. More players should have that force multiplier effect.

Especially when you consider that in this particular case (Dust as a game that is) you are locked to a max of 16 players per side. You can't add a 17th or 18th player to the team no matter how hard you try. So if you are going to invest 3 players into one unit, that is essentially 2 lost players on your team. More players operating as one unit should definitely be more powerful than any one player in theory at least.

Now if players weren't as much of a limited resource, like say in EVE where you can keep calling more and more players into the system, then I could see the validity of counter arguments. But of close that won't happen here (at least not soon or on the PS3).

I have been discussing this with Xel.

One normal HAV with 3 manned turrets - "will" win a solo HAV, just due to extra fire power
One normal HAV with only driver - will have exactly the same fitting power as a solo HAV with only driver - draw

Where does the solo HAV must be worse than an empty HAV come from?

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Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5521	Posted - 2015.01.22 05:57:00 - [1] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: I do know that commanders don't want players in their tanks, and that is the olive branch of solo HAvs, unlockable through specialization. Solo HAVs should not be as powerful as MBTs though. More players should have that force multiplier effect. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5532	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:14:00 - [2] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: I do know that commanders don't want players in their tanks, and that is the olive branch of solo HAvs, unlockable through specialization. Solo HAVs should not be as powerful as MBTs though. More players should have that force multiplier effect. Especially when you consider that in this particular case (Dust as a game that is) you are locked to a max of 16 players per side. You can't add a 17th or 18th player to the team no matter how hard you try. So if you are going to invest 3 players into one unit, that is essentially 2 lost players on your team. More players operating as one unit should definitely be more powerful than any one player in theory at least. Now if players weren't as much of a limited resource, like say in EVE where you can keep calling more and more players into the system, then I could see the validity of counter arguments. But of close that won't happen here (at least not soon or on the PS3). I have been discussing this with Xel. One normal HAV with 3 manned turrets - "will" win a solo HAV, just due to extra fire power One normal HAV with only driver - will have exactly the same fitting power as a solo HAV with only driver - draw Where does the solo HAV must be worse than an empty HAV come from? Because this can't be balanced in a vacuum. AV is a part of this system. And a single AV should be able to take out a single person tank (pretty close to current tank balance), but if you actually have three people manning a tank, it should be much tougher to kill. Yes, I am asking for a tank buff. Me. Of all people. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5532	Posted - 2015.01.22 19:29:00 - [3] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: 1. If it takes 1 AV to 1 SOLO HAV then will it take 3 AV to take a 3man HAV? With the rough point that there's ups and downs to fitting and gear quality and such, yes, that's roughly what I'm suggesting. One player should equal one player. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 5591	Posted - 2015.01.23 16:49:00 - [4] - Quote Breakin Stuff wrote: Would you like me to convert the turret numbers I gave you to conform to current AV meta? One of the biggest complaints from drivers is "too short fights." Of course the issue for drivers is "too short fights". They have a ton of ability to relocate quickly and get away from a fight. A prolonged fight with AV means vehicles can choose to disengage at any time and run away. A longer fight is almost guaranteed to heavily favor vehicle users. CPM1 Elect. Thanks for all your support. [email protected] for ideas, thoughts, and feedback.