Ratattati:

I am excited for the proposed changes and for the chance to see different fittings on vehicles.

- the loadouts you have on the sheet you made are terrible builds, please do not balance around these.

Gunlogis need two hardeners at least vs todays iteration of av, rails, missles and nitro ramming blaster maddies, just to peek out of the redline... Nitro in the high=death. Anyone fitting a gunlogi with an armor rep is going to have problems.
Madrugars need Nitro to close the gap and to get away from av as they can't tank as much damage as a double hardened Gunlogi.

For the Gunlogi, this means 2 high slots will forever be spoken for by hardeners unless you want to pop everytime advanced swarms lock on you. Madrugars have either lots or armor or lots of reps and nitro. Doesn't leave much wiggle room for build diversity.

If the new advanced and proto hulls have any chance of survival with the current slot layout ( 3/2 2/3 ) they will need stat buffs equal to a proto hardener or shield extender for caldari, armor plate or armor repper for gallente, otherwise there is not much point to skilling up to get marginally more ehp when a bunny hopping minmitar commando is still going to pop you in 5 seconds from behind random hill number 32. Even with gunners on all turrets, hit detection with swarms is near 100% and if he is on top of some building or tower that the tank can't even aim up at then 1 player > 3 players plus 100xs isk.

The damage buffs per level seem to make sense and I like the increase to shield regen and armor. I would like to see a madrugar blaster fit be able to survive as long as a double hardened gunlogi blaster fit vs todays alpha av damage as it is a much better chassis to shoot infantry with.

Guys

I am doing my homework here, with the loadouts. I started a brand new character and walked exactly through the steps of "what mighe each fit be with a given PG/CPU", without using PG/CPU mods. That means using suboptimal fits to experiment and get a fit under the cap.

To do a full PRO tank, and leaving the small turrets, we need way higher PG/CPU, and or some core PG/CPU skills, that I like actually.

I need to do this first in an environment that is known, IE 7. Once I have bashed out all the requirements for that to work, there shouldn't be any problem going to 7 slots. Problem is that that may require a little different approach with progression, because I don't want to rebalance all module efficiencies at the same time to make sure 7 slots isn't OP.

So, please propose eHP reduction that follows going to 7, because brick tanking should not be a thing.

Also, recommend some shield modules for lows.

Also, list out the unusable modules, and give hints on how to fix them, f.ex. shield boosters and the like. "What would they have to be like for me to start using them"

Thanks!

Where'd you pull 2325? Your butt?

CCP, I want better bonuses for UHAV instead of fitting bonuses. Something to help them be really tanky. The fitting bonus for small turrets should be given to HAV's. The skill for UHAV should not only unlock UHAV but give some sort of bonus, maybe 2% resistance to armor and shield per level.

Meh, unless all av is getting nerfed then the UHAV won't be much tankier than now, just a 400 hp primary tank difference.

That spreadsheet, how do they get 10k ehp?

With warbarges eventually giving everyone 5% damage to thier light weapons, including swarms and plasma, reducing the HP of tanks doesn't seem like a great idea. Filling a slot with anything that doesn't stack ehp higher or help you get out of range is going to be a rough sell.

I like the proposed uhav hull resistances, shields - hybrid , armor - projectile.

Maybe key the HAV operation skill to unlock std adv pro HAV's at level 1 2 3 and SHAV's at 3 4 5

enough is enough, just put enforcer tanks back in and be done with it.