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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.01.25 16:21:00 -
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If UHAV are faster, and DHAV are slower.... how exactly is a DHAV supposed to hunt UHAV?
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.01.25 16:37:00 -
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its early... you know what I meant. Got an answer? or just being yourself?
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:40:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Devadander wrote:its early... you know what I meant. Got an answer? or just being yourself? the answer is you had it reversed. DHAVs are faster so they can chase down targets and run away from return fire
After a coffee and a re-read I do see... I also see people using these new hulls for the wrong vision.
The fight your own war trailer comes to mind. Suits have had limits placed (cloak costs, equip BW, role fitting bonuses) but still fit whatever they want really. Unless the new hulls have restrictions (which I am firmly against) people will just muddy the roles until we are back to triple hardened rolling jokes. (which I am also against...)
Some of you might say "Wait, Dev, do you even tank bro?" To which I answer "not often anymore, 3 MLT HAV can instapop a fully fitted Maddy/Gunni, then there's the JLAV..."
The mention of active modules making a return has me hopeful. But I know our playerbase. 
CCP is doing GRAND work on DUST atm, suits have never been in a better place. All roles are now a pitb, and that's a good thing.
The past, present, and future of vehicles is what scares me.
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.01.25 17:57:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:Devadander wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Devadander wrote:its early... you know what I meant. Got an answer? or just being yourself? the answer is you had it reversed. DHAVs are faster so they can chase down targets and run away from return fire After a coffee and a re-read I do see... I also see people using these new hulls for the wrong vision. The fight your own war trailer comes to mind. Suits have had limits placed (cloak costs, equip BW, role fitting bonuses) but still fit whatever they want really. Unless the new hulls have restrictions (which I am firmly against) people will just muddy the roles until we are back to triple hardened rolling jokes. (which I am also against...) Some of you might say "Wait, Dev, do you even tank bro?" To which I answer "not often anymore, 3 MLT HAV can instapop a fully fitted Maddy/Gunni, then there's the JLAV..." The mention of active modules making a return has me hopeful. But I know our playerbase. CCP is doing GRAND work on DUST atm, suits have never been in a better place. All roles are now a pitb, and that's a good thing. The past, present, and future of vehicles is what scares me. Players are too risk averse and CCP has been too risk averse in developmental style. If we don't pull it through and try to unscrew it without getting squeamish about getting a bit of mud and blood on the boots it'll never get where it needs to be.
People will just fit ehp and AV on the AI tank. Making the AV tank worthless vs the AI tank.
Unless CCP cooks up some good role bonus(es) for these new hulls, exploitation will commence.
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:13:00 -
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Breakin Stuff wrote:
all the large turrets are AV
Don't think that's going to be an issue, especially if the destroyers hit like a truck.
When was the last time you rolled a tank? Ion blasters with a dmg mod cant budge a double hardened gunni/maddy.
Missles are AV I'll admit that. Rails can be AV if the attacking HAV doesn't know about rotation (and if said rail is on a rooftop..)
I'm not even going to comment on blasters lest someone cry for another nerf making them the tank mounted snowball shooter..
AVHAV needs large turret dmg, rof, and dispersion buffs
AIHAV needs rotation, dispersion, (FOR ALL TURRETS) and passive recovery buffs
Maybe, just maybe, blasters on an AVHAV will prove good to hunt tanks again. I'm hopeful with active coolant mods I can go back to stamping hulls on my hull. I just don't see how less EHP will prove effective against more EHP even with a speed boost.
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.01.25 19:36:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Breakin Stuff wrote:Don't think that's going to be an issue, especially if the destroyers hit like a truck. I have no issue with Large Turrets being crappy at killing infantry. It's a similar metric to EVE where larger turrets struggle to hit smaller targets. Its obviously not a direct comparison, but you get the idea. Solo HAV pilots should struggle to deal with infantry if all they have in a large turret. Not impossible to do, but difficult. Think of it like the inverse, you can use a Plasma Cannon or a Forge Gun to kill infantry, but their primary function is to kill vehicles, so it is difficult to kill infantry with them unless under specific circumstances.
I noticed no mention of R.E.'s.. and as far as it being difficult to AI with handheld AV.. the swarm launcher does suck at killing infantry I'll give ya that.
In case you were thinking I'm one of the infantry blaster farmers of old, you can just eat that. I popped more tanks than anyone else back in pre 1.7 all the way to beginning. Sorry I'm not part of one of the big groups, but my voice can still be heard. Ask NS or AE how many tanks they would have to field to deal with me and the one random crap tanker they could find to ring against big corps. If your team was tired of losing tanks to me I would kill any troops dumb enough to rush an 80gj barrel yup.
This isn't eve, there is no click and forget metrics. You have to earn it with your thumbs.
Honestly idk why I care, the sad truth is well funded corps will just roll 3 squads and keep dropping crap tanks till you are overwhelmed at every corner.
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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Devadander
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Posted - 2015.01.25 21:57:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:True Adamance wrote:Devadander wrote:
This isn't eve, there is no click and forget metrics. You have to earn it with your thumbs.
Lol. Click and Forget...... almost as if imputing a specific series of appropriate commands on your key board is different to imputing a specific set of appropriate commands on your controller..... You have to earn it with your fingers. And sometimes thumbs. Honestly though I would love to drop some people into EVE PvP and see how well they do with the "fire and forget" combat.
I always sound hostile idk why, just me I guess.
Just saying there is a HUGE difference between, left click, ctrl click to lock, F1 for gun group, then orbit - keep at, and trying to sight a nugget actively with sticks while they are doin the MKB dance dance revolution.
"Lets group up and push an objective" ~ No blueberry ever
07-28-12 ~Deal with it~
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