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Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1226	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:22:00 - [1] - Quote CCP there is a chatroom on Dust that has the leadership of every single corp people can get a hold of in that chat. All of the corps in it are PC active or were PC active at one point. Enough of this forum spam crap, if you want good feedback on PC then join the chat and listen to us. Stop listening to people who have never been in PC or make naive assumptions of PC. Participants include: Kane Spero CapAq leadership FA leadership Top leadership KEQ leadership ML leadership Remnants of AE's players RGz leadership PG leadership PE leadership 0H leadership/members A bunch of PC players/ringers Destopia leadership RND leadership The list goes on and is growing fast. I can't even count who is in the chat anymore because it is in delayed mode now. Contact Kane Spero as you best bet to get into the chat, or Hawkin Pete, Zaria, or Roman. If you are going to make big changes to PC then the least you could do is actually listen to those who are/have been in PC. "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
hfderrtgvcd 1731	Posted - 2015.01.22 00:53:00 - [2] - Quote Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Stryker Syx Vector D3ATH CARD RUST415 73	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:10:00 - [3] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. They are elitists.
Zepod Titans of Phoenix VP Gaming Alliance 89	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:29:00 - [4] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. Because if they do it will be overrun by a bunch of people who've never played a minute of PC making garbage ideas while pretending as if they actually know what they're talking about. You may not like what I just said, but you know it's true...
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1227	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:31:00 - [5] - Quote Your posts are why many do not post on the forums. The forums are the most elitist part of the game because many think they are special and deserve everything geared towards their benefit while screwing over everyone else. The "feedback" thread is flooded with crap and barely represents what the players in PC actually think. Also, the chat is not invite only. I do not post the name of it because then it will be flooded with trolls. CCP has showed on numerous occasions in the past that posting on the forums gets you nowhere unless you spam dozens of pages of propaganda or logic aimed at your own selfish desires or balance. Going into a chatroom and spending 30 minutes listening to people actually involved in PC will take a lot less time than listening to a few people argue with each other about things they think are best for PC despite never being in a PC. "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
hfderrtgvcd 1731	Posted - 2015.01.22 01:39:00 - [6] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Your posts are why many do not post on the forums. The forums are the most elitist part of the game because many think they are special and deserve everything geared towards their benefit while screwing over everyone else. The "feedback" thread is flooded with crap and barely represents what the players in PC actually think. Also, the chat is not invite only. I do not post the name of it because then it will be flooded with trolls. CCP has showed on numerous occasions in the past that posting on the forums gets you nowhere unless you spam dozens of pages of propaganda or logic aimed at your own selfish desires or balance. Going into a chatroom and spending 30 minutes listening to people actually involved in PC will take a lot less time than listening to a few people argue with each other about things they think are best for PC despite never being in a PC. Rattati is very different from the previous ccp developers. He responds very well to logic and reason. When you ask rattati to go to your channels and only listen to you, it seems that you are the ones arguing for "your own selfish desires or balance." There are many excellent ideas and writing them off purely because they come from people who aren't heavily involved in pc seems foolish. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1227	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:01:00 - [7] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Your posts are why many do not post on the forums. The forums are the most elitist part of the game because many think they are special and deserve everything geared towards their benefit while screwing over everyone else. The "feedback" thread is flooded with crap and barely represents what the players in PC actually think. Also, the chat is not invite only. I do not post the name of it because then it will be flooded with trolls. CCP has showed on numerous occasions in the past that posting on the forums gets you nowhere unless you spam dozens of pages of propaganda or logic aimed at your own selfish desires or balance. Going into a chatroom and spending 30 minutes listening to people actually involved in PC will take a lot less time than listening to a few people argue with each other about things they think are best for PC despite never being in a PC. Rattati is very different from the previous ccp developers. He responds very well to logic and reason. When you ask rattati to go to your channels and only listen to you, it seems that you are the ones arguing for "your own selfish desires or balance." There are many excellent ideas and writing them off purely because they come from people who aren't heavily involved in pc seems foolish. You're right! CCP should listen to the like 10 same people posting in that thread instead of listening to the 60 in the chat. They should also balance vehicles by asking swarm users how to add vehicle module variety, it only makes sense right? "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7330	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:11:00 - [8] - Quote Zepod wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. Because if they do it will be overrun by a bunch of people who've never played a minute of PC making garbage ideas while pretending as if they actually know what they're talking about. Then you can be held accountable and forced to explain WHY your ideas are better, and educate those less experienced and perhaps gain support from a larger population of players for those ideas. Or, you can seclude yourselves and have no one else to blame if your ideas don't get heard because you didn't want to put in some leg work. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1232	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:16:00 - [9] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Zepod wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. Because if they do it will be overrun by a bunch of people who've never played a minute of PC making garbage ideas while pretending as if they actually know what they're talking about. Then you can be held accountable and forced to explain WHY your ideas are better, and educate those less experienced and perhaps gain support from a larger population of players for those ideas. Or, you can seclude yourselves and have no one else to blame if your ideas don't get heard because you didn't want to put in some leg work. People try giving feedback on many issues on Dust. They self bump their threads for days, make new threads about the issue, and send in support tickets. Guess how much feedback they get? Aha How long did it take the sprint glitch to be fixed? I wonder how many threads were made about that until the issue got addressed. "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 15177	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:28:00 - [10] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: When you ask rattati to go to your channels and only listen to you, it seems that you are the ones arguing for "your own selfish desires or balance." Thing is, they're not asking for Rattati to go into a channel and only listen to the people in the channel. All they want is to present CCP Rattati with their feedback without being subjugated by players who want (or are suggesting) to make PC even worse than it already is. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND

One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7331	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Zepod wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. Because if they do it will be overrun by a bunch of people who've never played a minute of PC making garbage ideas while pretending as if they actually know what they're talking about. Then you can be held accountable and forced to explain WHY your ideas are better, and educate those less experienced and perhaps gain support from a larger population of players for those ideas. Or, you can seclude yourselves and have no one else to blame if your ideas don't get heard because you didn't want to put in some leg work. People try giving feedback on many issues on Dust. They self bump their threads for days, make new threads about the issue, and send in support tickets. Guess how much feedback they get? Aha How long did it take the sprint glitch to be fixed? I wonder how many threads were made about that until the issue got addressed. That had nothing to do with CCP's lack of knowledge of the issue, support for the removal, or anything else. Likewise, you can have Rattiati in your special channel all day, and it won't mean he will listen to you just because of your group. Why not come to some sort of consensus and propose your ideas in the main thread, with a separate thread here to let it stand out and get feedback from it? You will be more inclusive and be much more inclined to get good feedback and discussion than if you chose to remain isolated because you didn't want to get your hands dirty on the forums. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1233	Posted - 2015.01.22 02:35:00 - [12] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Zepod wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. Because if they do it will be overrun by a bunch of people who've never played a minute of PC making garbage ideas while pretending as if they actually know what they're talking about. Then you can be held accountable and forced to explain WHY your ideas are better, and educate those less experienced and perhaps gain support from a larger population of players for those ideas. Or, you can seclude yourselves and have no one else to blame if your ideas don't get heard because you didn't want to put in some leg work. People try giving feedback on many issues on Dust. They self bump their threads for days, make new threads about the issue, and send in support tickets. Guess how much feedback they get? Aha How long did it take the sprint glitch to be fixed? I wonder how many threads were made about that until the issue got addressed. That had nothing to do with CCP's lack of knowledge of the issue, support for the removal, or anything else. Likewise, you can have Rattiati in your special channel all day, and it won't mean he will listen to you just because of your group. Why not come to some sort of consensus and propose your ideas in the main thread, with a separate thread here to let it stand out and get feedback from it? You will be more inclusive and be much more inclined to get good feedback and discussion than if you chose to remain isolated because you didn't want to get your hands dirty on the forums. The people on the forums are the minority The majority are playing Dust It explains why 1% of the player base supposedly voted for the current CPM. According to your logi however, that 1% is the only voice that matters instead of the large 99%. So... who here is the one being elitist? "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
Alaika Arbosa Minmatar Republic 2407	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:45:00 - [13] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: The people on the forums are the minority The majority are playing Dust It explains why 1% of the player base supposedly voted for the current CPM. According to your logi however, that 1% is the only voice that matters instead of the large 99%. So... who here is the one being elitist? The majority of PCs players are on Dust playing, not on the forums. So why should CCP not simply log on and talk to the majority as to what is wrong? Because that "majority" is really just the 1% representing PC of the 1% representing the forums. If CCP actually took your advice, you'd be up in arms because they'd be listening to a whole lot of casuals and people who think this should be Free2Play CoD. The "majority playing Dust" are not comprised by you and the ~60 people in your elite little channel, it is made up of all the terrible randoms and bluedot asshats that seriously would **** PC just for lols rather than putting forward ideas that you simply don't agree with. Ad Space Available Here 1m Isk/day Mail me message after transferring Isk (sig updated upon transfer completion)
Breakin Stuff Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 6647	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:55:00 - [14] - Quote So long as they are not pushing for passive ISK and district exploits let them make their channel and invite the devs to participate. VHCL
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game RUST415 1626	Posted - 2015.01.22 14:57:00 - [15] - Quote lol 514 mafia Every player in that comms has played X ammount of PC's All they are asking is that the ones who played and worked for that gamemode Have a chance to share their feedback with CCP on the mode they play So can the 'tinfoil' hat bullcrap stop, so we can focus on the mode we want to play If any of you think the elitist group agree's with each other, or wants the same thing your wrong. Which is exactly why CCP should consider the proposal of actually meeting people in-game, rather than listening to the cluster sitting here/there talking about it.... If CCP wanted consturctive feeback, a DEV/GM/nut-job should make a alt, and join in-game corps This way they could meet players in various corps, with varied views... God forbid they spend some time crowd-sourcing info for the supposed long-term project As usual the cluster of threads and sh!tposting has frightened Rattati away again... You all suck.
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 202	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:08:00 - [16] - Quote Zepod wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. Because if they do it will be overrun by a bunch of people who've never played a minute of PC making garbage ideas while pretending as if they actually know what they're talking about. The upside of avoiding trolls doesn't outweigh the downside of looking like you want to avoid scrutiny. I don't dispute the elite status of many PC regulars. I have relatively terrible gun game in Dust (or any game where I can only aim with gimped mouse/keyboard controls). But I enjoy the game nonetheless. I'd like to participate in PC more, but have developed a severe prejudice against playing PC, because the last three PC matches I played were the worst lag I've ever seen in Dust. Should I have any input? Should your proposals to Rattati be free from any constructive criticism I might offer? A lack of transparency often seems like a good idea, even when it really isn't. If your goal is to improve PC for the people already playing it, your channel is exactly the right way to pursue that goal. If you want to draw more people into PC, or get people like me back into PC, your channel is exactly the wrong way to pursue that goal. If your ideas can't withstand the scrutiny of a public forum post, including some trolling, then they can't be very good ideas. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
Mortishai Belmont G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 380	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:29:00 - [17] - Quote No one from CCP would go into a chat room with a bunch of dust players, that would be like a rabbit going to a meeting of wolves to discuss options for the forest. G.L.O.R.Y Soldier, I'm that Amarr heavy you warn your team about <3 -Heavy/Logi/Assault/Scout-
Supacharjed Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 132	Posted - 2015.01.22 15:37:00 - [18] - Quote Yep, lets all keep the discussion about a specific part of a game with a specific set of players with a specific mindset and keep all other potential players out of it. This will certainly help PC. I can't think of any possible effects of keeping any ideas from potential players of a part of a game out of it's discussion. Has been playing Dust for ages. Can't aim for peanuts.
Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1247	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:42:00 - [19] - Quote Supacharjed wrote: Yep, lets all keep the discussion about a specific part of a game with a specific set of players with a specific mindset and keep all other potential players out of it. This will certainly help PC. I can't think of any possible effects of keeping any ideas from potential players of a part of a game out of it's discussion. What you are saying though describes the forums. What is funny is all the negative comments keep mentioning an elite chat that no one is allowed to join yet it is not password protected and everyone is allowed to join. You all keep proving my point that the forums are for elitist who always try to discredit anyone credable in anything so that your own selfish desires be met. "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards." - CCP LockingBro
hfderrtgvcd 1771	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:45:00 - [20] - Quote Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Supacharjed wrote: Yep, lets all keep the discussion about a specific part of a game with a specific set of players with a specific mindset and keep all other potential players out of it. This will certainly help PC. I can't think of any possible effects of keeping any ideas from potential players of a part of a game out of it's discussion. What you are saying though describes the forums. What is funny is all the negative comments keep mentioning an elite chat that no one is allowed to join yet it is not password protected and everyone is allowed to join. You all keep proving my point that the forums are for elitist who always try to discredit anyone credable in anything so that your own selfish desires be met. The forums aren't elitist because anyone is free to view and post on them. If your channel isn't elitist, post the name of it. You can't fight in here! This is the war room.

Shiyou Hidiyoshi Ancient Exiles. 1247	Posted - 2015.01.23 03:56:00 - [21] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: Shiyou Hidiyoshi wrote: Supacharjed wrote: Yep, lets all keep the discussion about a specific part of a game with a specific set of players with a specific mindset and keep all other potential players out of it. This will certainly help PC. I can't think of any possible effects of keeping any ideas from potential players of a part of a game out of it's discussion. What you are saying though describes the forums. What is funny is all the negative comments keep mentioning an elite chat that no one is allowed to join yet it is not password protected and everyone is allowed to join. You all keep proving my point that the forums are for elitist who always try to discredit anyone credable in anything so that your own selfish desires be met. The forums aren't elitist because anyone is free to view and post on them. If your channel isn't elitist, post the name of it. Why? So the discussions that take place often in it get derailed by trolls screaming 24/7? There is this guy called ContraBanJoe and every single chat he made to have people talk about something had people screaming ***meat sandwich constantly and music was blasting very loud. What is funny is many people who are not in PC are in the chat. Why do so many of you care about PC anyways? Many of you hate it and flat out say it so why get involved with something involving PC? Why should people who have never been in PC, do not want to do PC, hate PC players, and hate PC have a large say in PC? Why not those who actually have an interest in the mode or play it? "I don't always lock threads but when I do, I vigorously masturbat afterwards."* - CCP LockingBro
137H4RGIC Bloodline Rebellion Capital Punishment. 417	Posted - 2015.01.23 04:28:00 - [22] - Quote Not everyone is good at thinking on their feet. Sometimes people need to consider what is written, weigh the pros and cons then give feedback based on that info. I think you guys should pre write your concerns the synchronize a time to post the thread so your voices can be heard first. I would like to see a change in pc from what it is now. Besides, going in a channel to discuss something in a mature calm manner over something as delicate an issue as pc is, is not a good idea. Everyone wants their voices heard, and doing it over voice comms is arduous and brings on fatigue from having a lengthy discussion with sixty people. Forums provide ease of access to the reader to read at their leisure, and diplomatically reply. Without having the pressure to respond immediately. Please, just post your concerns on the forums. I want to help DUST become a better experience for everyone. Let's work together! 137H4RGIC - Running for CPM2 (SOONGäó)
Ghostt Shadoww Carne Con Papas 161	Posted - 2015.01.23 04:28:00 - [23] - Quote Yoshi and all other Dust Vets.... Ratatti has made it Very Clear. That he wants "Our GodFather Mafia Minds" to come up with a good proposal on paper (thread he posted) and present it. Instead of crying and arguing etc etc. Read the thread in feedbacks under Timers. He said clearly these words himself. So enough arguing and trying to be seen and heard by Mr Ratatti. He has already Quoted our comments. Acknowledging that we have a room wth great talent and minds in. He likes that we are all together in one place. Now he wants us to be real Men and Woman of the Elite group of long term Dust Vets. And come up with a Great Porposal present it in his thread. He will review it and I'm sure he will either reply. Or maybe even then come to our chat. But first We (Dust Vets) need to continue what we are doing. Banding together putting personal stuff aside. I'm ordering my headset tomorrow finally. Next week I'll have my new head set. But till then let's keep doing what we been doing in Our Chat. We been meeting and talking and listening to each other. Even if we don't agree everyone is talking and giving awesome input. Let's stop worrying about convincing these Pub Fools. Who are to lazy to even learn how to PC. So let's do what The Man wants. Mr Ratatti is all that matters. And like I said he already Quoted us and acknowledged our Room. And replied "bring me a proposal you mafia GodFathers and stop Crying" Go Read for yourself......see yall tomorrow in Chat. Let's come up with something great. We already have great ideas. Let's make an awesome Business Plan and Present that Sh!t to Mr Trump.... Cuz it won't be us that's getting Fired....lol...we like cockroaches we live thru anything....lmao.... You My Boy Blue!!!! I Love You Dawg!!!! Which way is the Gym? Dust Vet ForEver im out this B!tch!!!!! Something Awful is going on around here. Hehe
Zaria Min Deir 0uter.Heaven 1072	Posted - 2015.01.23 04:51:00 - [24] - Quote Gyn Wallace wrote: I don't dispute the elite status of many PC regulars. I have relatively terrible gun game in Dust (or any game where I can only aim with gimped mouse/keyboard controls). But I enjoy the game nonetheless. I'd like to participate in PC more, but have developed a severe prejudice against playing PC, because the last three PC matches I played were the worst lag I've ever seen in Dust.[...] If your goal is to improve PC for the people already playing it, your channel is exactly the right way to pursue that goal. If you want to draw more people into PC, or get people like me back into PC, your channel is exactly the wrong way to pursue that goal. Gyn, I love you, but... your gun game is more than terrible :D BUT nevermind that, mine is even worse, hasn't stopped me from being active in PC since it started ;) But seriously, your post confused me. You basically say you don't particitipate in PC because you were turned off by the bad performance of that game mode, ie. something only CCP can fix. Yet you say "If your goal is to improve PC for the people already playing it, your channel is exactly the right way to pursue that goal. If you want to draw more people into PC, or get people like me back into PC, your channel is exactly the wrong way to pursue that goal." How would the venue in which the active PC participants discuss their opinions and try to pitch their ideas at CCP in any way affect the technical side of the game, that is, actual performance like framerate and lag? As in, even if no discussion of anything was done outside of these forums (which is childish to assume to be the case anyway), the conversation about the attack and timer mechanics has no bearing on the reason why you and many others have given up on PC... that reason being Can't Code Properly. Honestly, I can't help but think most people having some sort of bizarre objection to a group of players wanting to have a chance to pitch their ideas directly to Rattati without constant interference from those WHOSE OPINIONS ARE ALREADY OUT HERE ON THE FORUMS ANYWAY is just a case of "boo hoo I didn't get invited to the prom"... O.o Any of you honestly think even if (and I think it's a big if) Rattati sits down with a group of PC veterans, to listen to their experiences and concerns, he will automatically just do everything they tell him to? Really? I personally think the forums would be a fine venue for any of these discussion, if only a) more than a tiny fraction of the playerbase actually visited and b) less people spouted garbage from behind alts. Also, I would just like to see less of "well I don't actually understand the current mechanics but I still think they need to be changed in X Y and X ways because I think it's unfair that I would actually have to fight anyone if I don't want to, just give me the shiny stuff" and so on... Have you considered installing the improved keyboard? "Go Go Power Rangers!"
LAVALLOIS Nash 461	Posted - 2015.01.23 05:07:00 - [25] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Why not come to some sort of consensus and propose your ideas in the main thread, with a separate thread here to let it stand out and get feedback from it? You will be more inclusive and be much more inclined to get good feedback and discussion than if you chose to remain isolated because you didn't want to get your hands dirty on the forums. @Shiyou ^ i recommend you do this. I think you wrongly assume that the forums are stacked against you because you aren't comfortable with questions and criticisms. Instead of having the attitude that "Well we arent going to say what we think unless a dev comes to see us", why dont you gather up a consensus, make and thread, explain your point of view, and some of the people you think are being hostile to you might just end up saying "oh, i guess i never saw it that way before". If you dont like my opinion, dont read it. But dont assume that just because my opinion is out there and being spoken, that it somehow diminishes your opinion and views. There is place on these forums for everyone. Also, ill leave you with a bit is wisdom: Things always look different from the outside than the inside. Take a house for example. Lets say the roof was on fire. To everyone outside, there is a clear danger. But the people in the house might not know that the top layer of their roof is on fire. Or flip it, lets say there was a small kitchen fire. On the inside, people know theres a danger. On the outside, the house appears perfectly fine. Getting the view of the guy outside and the guy inside makes for a complete picture. So go ahead and get typing, im curious as to the "insider" solutions to PC timers.
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 87	Posted - 2015.01.23 11:29:00 - [26] - Quote hmm.. I got an idea!!! What if.... They all had their ideas preset typed out and ready to post. Then, one of them makes the thread for all of their "great ideas". Once it's been made, the rest of them post their feedback immediately after the other! That way, all of your ideas are under 1(one) thread one after the other instead of spread across the communities feedback. (since you obviously don't want blueberry feedback). I should be given a reward. I fixed their issue by thinking. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
Gyn Wallace OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 204	Posted - 2015.01.23 15:15:00 - [27] - Quote Zaria Min Deir wrote: But seriously, your post confused me. You basically say you don't particitipate in PC because you were turned off by the bad performance of that game mode, ie. something only CCP can fix. Yes, this is why I stopped. I've heard the lag isn't as bad these days, but I don't know whether those reports arose because CCP has improved something in its code or whether it will be just as bad again if the number of people in PC rises. However, the decision to get back into PC isn't limited to addressing the reason why I left it. Lag, plus any variety of factors pertaining to its relationship to Eve Online, the expenses and profits available, the convenience of getting good fights, etc. can have an influence on that decision. Even if the lag is better, but not as good as in pub or FW matches, it still might be worth getting back in to PC. Zaria Min Deir wrote: Yet you say "If your goal is to improve PC for the people already playing it, your channel is exactly the right way to pursue that goal. If you want to draw more people into PC, or get people like me back into PC, your channel is exactly the wrong way to pursue that goal." How would the venue in which the active PC participants discuss their opinions and try to pitch their ideas at CCP in any way affect the technical side of the game, that is, actual performance like framerate and lag? I wouldn't expect it to affect the technical side of the game, only the design of PC which might be more or less inviting to PC regulars, newcomers, and returning bitter-vets. Zaria Min Deir wrote: Honestly, I can't help but think most people having some sort of bizarre objection to a group of players wanting to have a chance to pitch their ideas directly to Rattati without constant interference from those WHOSE OPINIONS ARE ALREADY OUT HERE ON THE FORUMS ANYWAY... "Constant interference" is precisely what you avoid by posting an idea on a forum, where posts are moderated, can not be interrupted, shouted down, or scrolled off-screen with spam. It is precisely because a chat channel is easier to spam/troll than a forum, that you need to introduce exclusivity to offer any signal/noise ratio improvement when compared with a forum. But that improvement (avoiding some trolling) comes at a cost: Opacity to the very people CCP is trying to entice into PC. The ones who aren't already there. Many opinions are expressed on the forums, but blueberries can not post direct responses to comments in a private channel from which they are excluded. The private channel introduces an additional step for the person listening to those arguments, "What additional reasonable objections might be made by the people excluded from hearing this argument?" That step disappears if you simply open up the argument to the public, making it easier for your intended audience to weigh your argument. My concern completely disappears if you have a private audience with Ratatti, but the chat log is posted publicly. The principle is the same for Courts operating transparently, rather than in secret, unless there is a compelling reason to seal the proceedings. Confidence in the impartiality and fairness of a decision is diminished by secret hearings. What a ridiculous wall of text I've just written... for a game! I blame Zaria. The Dust/Eve Isk Exchange Thread
bigolenuts Ancient Exiles. 1415	Posted - 2015.01.23 19:23:00 - [28] - Quote I'll be revisiting these, "PC is broken threads" a month after the new PC fixes are implemented and just see how well you guys are doing lol I feel like a safe bet is you'll be whining about how unfair it is that the PC vets are wearing your @sses out and that PC needs to be fixed again I use to play this game, but my dog got sick- Zatara the Pizza Boy


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