Gyn Wallace
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:08:00 -
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Zepod wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:Why can't all you guys post your feedback in the thread created for feedback? There's no need to create an invite only chat channel. It just makes you seem elitist. Because if they do it will be overrun by a bunch of people who've never played a minute of PC making garbage ideas while pretending as if they actually know what they're talking about. The upside of avoiding trolls doesn't outweigh the downside of looking like you want to avoid scrutiny.
I don't dispute the elite status of many PC regulars. I have relatively terrible gun game in Dust (or any game where I can only aim with gimped mouse/keyboard controls). But I enjoy the game nonetheless. I'd like to participate in PC more, but have developed a severe prejudice against playing PC, because the last three PC matches I played were the worst lag I've ever seen in Dust.
Should I have any input? Should your proposals to Rattati be free from any constructive criticism I might offer?
A lack of transparency often seems like a good idea, even when it really isn't. If your goal is to improve PC for the people already playing it, your channel is exactly the right way to pursue that goal. If you want to draw more people into PC, or get people like me back into PC, your channel is exactly the wrong way to pursue that goal.
If your ideas can't withstand the scrutiny of a public forum post, including some trolling, then they can't be very good ideas.
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Gyn Wallace
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:15:00 -
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Zaria Min Deir wrote:But seriously, your post confused me. You basically say you don't particitipate in PC because you were turned off by the bad performance of that game mode, ie. something only CCP can fix. Yes, this is why I stopped. I've heard the lag isn't as bad these days, but I don't know whether those reports arose because CCP has improved something in its code or whether it will be just as bad again if the number of people in PC rises. However, the decision to get back into PC isn't limited to addressing the reason why I left it. Lag, plus any variety of factors pertaining to its relationship to Eve Online, the expenses and profits available, the convenience of getting good fights, etc. can have an influence on that decision. Even if the lag is better, but not as good as in pub or FW matches, it still might be worth getting back in to PC.
Zaria Min Deir wrote:Yet you say "If your goal is to improve PC for the people already playing it, your channel is exactly the right way to pursue that goal. If you want to draw more people into PC, or get people like me back into PC, your channel is exactly the wrong way to pursue that goal."
How would the venue in which the active PC participants discuss their opinions and try to pitch their ideas at CCP in any way affect the technical side of the game, that is, actual performance like framerate and lag? I wouldn't expect it to affect the technical side of the game, only the design of PC which might be more or less inviting to PC regulars, newcomers, and returning bitter-vets.
Zaria Min Deir wrote:Honestly, I can't help but think most people having some sort of bizarre objection to a group of players wanting to have a chance to pitch their ideas directly to Rattati without constant interference from those WHOSE OPINIONS ARE ALREADY OUT HERE ON THE FORUMS ANYWAY... "Constant interference" is precisely what you avoid by posting an idea on a forum, where posts are moderated, can not be interrupted, shouted down, or scrolled off-screen with spam. It is precisely because a chat channel is easier to spam/troll than a forum, that you need to introduce exclusivity to offer any signal/noise ratio improvement when compared with a forum. But that improvement (avoiding some trolling) comes at a cost: Opacity to the very people CCP is trying to entice into PC. The ones who aren't already there.
Many opinions are expressed on the forums, but blueberries can not post direct responses to comments in a private channel from which they are excluded. The private channel introduces an additional step for the person listening to those arguments, "What additional reasonable objections might be made by the people excluded from hearing this argument?" That step disappears if you simply open up the argument to the public, making it easier for your intended audience to weigh your argument.
My concern completely disappears if you have a private audience with Ratatti, but the chat log is posted publicly. The principle is the same for Courts operating transparently, rather than in secret, unless there is a compelling reason to seal the proceedings. Confidence in the impartiality and fairness of a decision is diminished by secret hearings.
What a ridiculous wall of text I've just written... for a game! I blame Zaria.
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