Well, for one the removed all passive scans from the game and i am ******* sick of it

why would they do such a ******* thing?

You say that as if it's even fixable. Don't you think that if it were simple as that, they would have fixed it already? I'm sure they would if they could. Creating new content is much, much harder than altering a few lines of code.

More than likely, the performance issues are a result of the poorly coded foundation. If that's the case, then there's nothing that can be done but press on.

The problem I see is that it's not a fix/update they can monetize so they are not doing it. I may be wrong, but then I'd like to know the reason why, on a FPS, the broke hit detection everybody's complaining about is stil not fixed.

Honestly, I dont care about new content. Not that I think that they are bad (not at all -except strongboxes-) but I'd rather have this issue fixed than new suits/maps/weapons/whatever.

Complete nonsense. And CCP has been working on hit detection here and there since forever. Nobody is ever satisfied with it, and everyone has a different opinion on it, except everyone agrees that it is bad.

Also, note that last time a major hit detection change was made, it broke all of the game balance, which is roughly based on how effective different types of weapons are in the current balance. Changing hit detection would actually make gameplay worse even if hit detection was better. And then we'd have to balance everything again.

(So realistically, consider that if you miss a hit, your gun is already balanced on the assumption you would miss some hits.)

It's also completely different developer skill sets to create items, create maps, add new menus and options in the UI, and change FPS mechanics in games. There is not any way to trade doing X for Y in the manner you seem to be suggesting, as often different developers specialize in different aspects of the product.

People will still complain regardless if CCP fixes all the issues. There are people who rather have more content over fixing old issues because they are bored with what they got. There are also people who rather have the issues fixed first before more content is added. Then there are people like me who are at least looking for a balance between the two.

People will still complain regardless if CCP fixes all the issues. There are people who rather have more content over fixing old issues because they are bored with what they got. There are also people who rather have the issues fixed first before more content is added. Then there are people like me who are at least looking for a balance between the two.

This is the kind of fix that, if done right, will make everybody happy believe me. Then a total rebalance will have to be made (just lowering the DPS of some weapons) and after a month of hotfixes, the terrible hit detection will be already forgotten!

Fix the marshmallow hills, fix the getting stuck on a 2 inch rise in terrain.

Don't you understand?

Fixing bugs would only make things worse.

CCP understands this logic.

Stay gold, DUST bugs.

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I still get that sprint glitch as well but I guess that's not suppose to happen after they fixed that right ?

Don't you understand?

Fixing bugs would only make things worse.

CCP understands this logic.

Stay gold, DUST bugs.

Complete nonsense. And CCP has been working on hit detection here and there since forever. Nobody is ever satisfied with it, and everyone has a different opinion on it, except everyone agrees that it is bad.

Also, note that last time a major hit detection change was made, it broke all of the game balance, which is roughly based on how effective different types of weapons are in the current balance. Changing hit detection would actually make gameplay worse even if hit detection was better. And then we'd have to balance everything again.

(So realistically, consider that if you miss a hit, your gun is already balanced on the assumption you would miss some hits.)



It's also completely different developer skill sets to create items, create maps, add new menus and options in the UI, and change FPS mechanics in games. There is not any way to trade doing X for Y in the manner you seem to be suggesting, as often different developers specialize in different aspects of the product.

From my experience CCP has done nothing to fix hit detection and has mainly focused on cash grabs to fund legion which wont go no where cause only people who play pc games or use kbm on dust alredy will play and ccp wil lfall bank rupt failing on what they thought would be good stop with new content for now take the time to fixes all the issues drop to god forsaken legion idea and then make dust a place for godly fps players to have fun simple as that

I can't tell if this comment is for real or not...

On topic though, hit detection has barely changed since closed beta. In fact I'd go so far as to say closed beta played better than the current build, at least immediately prior to open beta.

On topic though, hit detection has barely changed since closed beta. In fact I'd go so far as to say closed beta played better than the current build, at least immediately prior to open beta.

For those of you who do not do game development or understand the business behind it needs to understand that fixing a bug is by far no means as cheap as producing new content.

This is generally referred to technical debt; CCP has had a bad history with it with long standing issues. Case in point POS Starbase code is so archaic and unnatural that there is not a developer within the company currently willing to touch it with a 40 foot pole. Last time it was touched in a QA environment it launched titans into uncontrollable light speed that landed right on the bubble making it impossible for the pilot to ever regain control of the ship within a reasonable time (a lifetime). Because the Star base code responsible for that bug is a mystery they never attempted to touch it again and reverted the changes. Its getting to the point they're going the chernobyl option (bury it) and hope nothing ugly ever arises from its grave.

To single out CCP would be unfair to I'll point to another game company that has a massive issue with its technical Debt. Digital Extremes and their free to play MMO game Warframe. The problem here? Bugs DON'T STAY fixed. Warframe sadly reeks of quickly done fixes as easily done as the OP suggests to be done; yet ever patch a immense number of bugs return and return frequently. DE only fixes the symptoms and rarely the cause of them. My favorite one that still pops up every other month is the ancient retribution bug. Oh how many a player tried to claim that prize only to find out its a fake power card designed to test the text length on cards in testing environments never designed for live play.

As to how this applies to Dust 514 there are a few things to consider.
1. We constantly need new players.
2. We are a flux income based game; how well it either attracts new customers; retains customers; or get recurring customers is a critical component to keeping the lights on. A nature similar to all Free to play games.
3. Thirdly we have limited resources and experience. CCP Rattati and his team are not the avengers; they cannot save the world in one afternoon. Even with community help reducing development and redevelopment costs (reducing rework) its not enough to justify buying new experience every month. I would kill million mercenaries if it meant we got a new model/technical artist, new netcode engineer, and engine expert and maybe a sound guy as well.

New content brings new players in; keeps semi interested folks in longer.
Bugs fixes keeps veterans players in.

A balanced approach is best to this; forsaking one for the other is not healthy and so far the development team for dust 514 is expressing both approaches as evenly as they can afford.

What about fixing the real issues once and for all?
Adding content is a great thing, and I'm pretty excited about it. But what is the point of all this new content, if IG, things are still the same?

Hit detection MUST be fixed. It is the most important "aspect" of an FPS, and it doesn't work properly (not at all indeed). It's not only about lags, even when then game runs well the hit detection is terrible. And some weapons are worse than others..

The weapons that are the most impacted by this issue are the explosive ones. PLC, MD, Flaylock, grenades.. How many times was I supposed to kill my target with a grenade or a flaylock shot, and it dealt absolutely nothing? I can't tell..

The balance between the main rifles is quite good now, it was a tough job. It's time to focus on the real issues, and bring Hit detection to Critical lvl on your trello board.

What about fixing the real issues once and for all?
Adding content is a great thing, and I'm pretty excited about it. But what is the point of all this new content, if IG, things are still the same?

Hit detection MUST be fixed. It is the most important "aspect" of an FPS, and it doesn't work properly (not at all indeed). It's not only about lags, even when then game runs well the hit detection is terrible. And some weapons are worse than others..

The weapons that are the most impacted by this issue are the explosive ones. PLC, MD, Flaylock, grenades.. How many times was I supposed to kill my target with a grenade or a flaylock shot, and it dealt absolutely nothing? I can't tell..

The balance between the main rifles is quite good now, it was a tough job. It's time to focus on the real issues, and bring Hit detection to Critical lvl on your trello board.

Complete nonsense.

You say that as if it's even fixable. Don't you think that if it were simple as that, they would have fixed it already? I'm sure they would if they could. Creating new content is much, much harder than altering a few lines of code.

More than likely, the performance issues are a result of the poorly coded foundation. If that's the case, then there's nothing that can be done but press on.

I can see how someone might get this impression TBH. Strongboxes, APEX suits, booster stacking, instant boosters, daily missions, BPO reintroduction, loyalty ranks...