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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2015.01.21 13:56:00 -
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Buwaro Draemon wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Until everybody and their mother started abusing/using it. 500 armor mofos with 3 damage mods ect kb/m strafe tactics ect.
Literally killed my fun. I hate when a suit goes from a "Fun time" to a requirement to be competitive.
Every corner I turn it's either a Min Ass or a Amarr heavy.
I remember a time when I used to be the only guy on the field with a Min Assault ripping people to shreds.
Me no feel special CCP. Why!?!?!?!?! strafe tactics? caldari/gallente have only 5% lower strafe speed, the eye wont even notice the difference. anyway I respecced out of min assault, because I didnt feel special anymore when everyone and their mother went into it. Buwaro Draemon wrote:
My STD GalAss has 388 Armor
My ADV and Proto GalAss have 453 Armor.
I see MinAss at ADV and Proto level with 500+ armor and still being faster than me....
well, your gallente assault fit is bad then. Nope. Gallente are not suppose to armor tank. They are armor repper tankers. I see a Gallente Assault with more than 500 armor and I laugh because he is slow and has slow regen on top of it all. I can out runhim, get my health back up and continue killing him. But now, MinAss's speed with that amount of Armor is too powerful. Which is why Kinkats are in low slots. Imagine an Assault suit withh 700+ armor HP running everywhere at near speed of a Scout? That's how MinAss feel like now. (Exagerated in armor of course)
MinASS can have 450 armor with about 10 reps but then they are only slightly faster then a comparably fitted gal. It's all about not using plates but rather using reactives.
MinASS has less low slots and base armor then a gal, so a properly fitted gal can always out shine a MinASS with armor.
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2015.01.21 14:12:00 -
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I have multiple MinASS fits, but my go to fit armor tank/rep with reactives and 2 damage mods in high.
But any more then 2 damage mods is a waste with the stacking penalty so that leaves me with Sheilds or percision in the other 2 highs.
Percision is pointless on it, that's what my minja is for
Rechargers are also pointless with such low Sheilds
So I fill in those last two slots with extenders
I tried using damps and had some fun but ultimately my minja did better.
I have minja infiltrator/assassin
MinASS for assaulting
Min logi for logistics
And min heavy for the heavy lifting
Working as intended
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:09:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Everyone complaining about minmatar assault strafe speed is a scrub. It is a 5% difference in speed compared to cal/gallente which the eye cannot even notice. It's not that fact that they can strafe faster. It's the fact that they can strafe faster AND fit an above average dual tank. Add to that, when people lag the benefit of strafing is made even more pronounceable. PRO Gallente AssaulteHP: 823 Strafe: 4.5m/s PRO Minmatar AssaulteHP: 1037 Strafe: 4.77m/s The Minmatar assault boasts 6% faster strafe speed and roughly 20% more eHP. They pack decent shields and armor, which gives them added protection against weapons designed to wreck a specific tanking style. Up against a ScR? Well it's got armor to spare. How about another CR? Well it's got shields too.
Wow, ok. How about comparing apples to apples!!!
You got two damage mods and duel armor rep on the gal that' over 200 hp worth you "forgot" to equip!
So what was your point again???
Within 30 meters that gal would wreck that MinASS
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2015.01.21 17:34:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Wow, ok. How about comparing apples to apples! You got two damage mods and duel armor rep on the gal that' over 200 hp worth you "forgot" to equip! So what was your point again? Within 30 meters that gal would wreck that MinASS Here is a GalAssault with more extenders. 1002 eHP and 4.5m/s strafe. The Minmatar assault still comes out with more eHP and better strafe speed. Jack McReady wrote:it is actually 5.6% which the eye does not notice. beside that both of your fits arent great. your minmatar fit has low self repair and big shield delays and potentially only ~424,3 base dps if you can actually hit with everything. and your gallente fit does not have 3 complex damage mods, nough said.
your minmatar fit is just pub stomp material and will be crushed by a tripple damage modded gallente with TAC AR any day of the week. I will take almost twice the DPS for only ~20% less hp with better self repair any day. Where do you get that the eye won't notice a faster movement speed? I can damn sure notice Minmatar assaults moving faster than I can pin a reticle on them. I don't have that problem with Caldari, Amarr, or Gallente dropsuits. It's noticeable and I'm a terrible player on my best day. Also, you still haven't addressed the issue with lag making the "benefits" of strafing even more pronounced. There is a good reason why a lot of latino corps run Minmatar assault. In regard to my Minmatar assault fitting: the need for local reps is lessened if you run with a squad that has a logi. I do. If your shields are down just run away. You have incredible sprint speeds and stamina regen rates; use them. I don't have a single SP into the Minimatar assault dropsuit command, and I only have CR op IV, yet I go 2 - 3 K/D consistently in my APEX MinAssault. Reiterating that I am a terribad player and I can go 2+ K/D in this thing  In regard to my Gallente assault fitting: Triple stacking damage mods is lawl-worthy. That third mod is giving tiny DPS increases. You will get a better RoI if you fit a shield extender or precision enhancer.
Your link is wrong
Also your numbers don't add up
GalASS has 3/5 and MinASS is 4/4
So the galASS has an extra ferroscale for 75hp in place of the MinASS extender that is only 66
And the MinASS has lower base hp
So please link the right fitting or you case will be dismissed due to falsified evidence
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:39:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Bright Steel wrote:Your link is wrong Apologies. Was playing around with this fitting to get some DPS numbers for Jack in a previous post. I have returned the fitting to 3x proto extenders. Bright Steel wrote:Also your numbers don't add up GalASS has 3/5 and MinASS is 4/4 So the galASS has an extra ferroscale for 75hp in place of the MinASS extender that is only 66 And the MinASS has lower base hp So please link the right fitting or you case will be dismissed due to falsified evidence With the corrected fitting... Gallente assault eHP: 1002 Minmatar assault eHP: 1037 And the Minimatar assault has a faster walk/strafe/sprint speed.
What's in the lows? Please link galASS with all extenders high and ONE rep low with rest ferroscale
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2015.01.21 18:58:00 -
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Ripley Riley wrote:Jack McReady wrote:well that is an entirely different problem. I just see "OP STRAFE, PLZ NERF!" everywhere and it makes me sick. I have even once read someone claiming heavy strafe is broken... Well, Minmatar sentinels do dance like a gorilla playing DDR, but nothing like some of the medium or light dropsuits. Even if they do little strafe dances I still manage to hit them, so I don't view that as a huge problem. Bright Steel wrote:What's in the lows? Please link galASS with all extenders high and ONE rep low with rest ferroscale It will end up with more eHP than the Minmatar, and not capitalize on the Gallente's armor repair tanking style. It would be same as putting an armor plate on the Minmatar assault.
Thank you.
However your comparison is like saying it's not fair that amarr assault can fit more armor tank Because it's their play style.
I just got a covenant calASS and it wiggles pretty good to, because of no plates....
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Bright Steel
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Posted - 2015.01.21 19:31:00 -
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Hit detection is crap and lag/frame rate drops make even crappier, agreed.
But that is totally different subject then saying the 5% straff difference is OP
I have mated with my controller try to do the wiggle dance and most times I move slow as hell but there is a sweet spot were you start almost sprinting hole wiggling. From my understanding m/k do this much better/easier but it can be done by skilled "wigglers"
My opinion is though that those who have his talent go the suit that is best suited for his dance.
I've had calASS matrix my CR plenty of times.
Good point but wrong approach. My humble opinion
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