the rarity of heavies

I have noticed the exact opposite of everything you have listed. I have Minmatar Logistics 5 and max on all equipment other than Scanner.

1. I have never had a game where Heavies were rare. I always find some fat bastard to rep and assist in their killing spree.
2. Uplinks were nerfed a while ago and for good reason. It was a little bit too fast to spawn in with no detriment from a Militia Uplink. Stating that there is no reason to level them up is far from the truth. Militia Uplinks give off a 15 second spawn time. My Viziam Flux Uplinks throw out mercs every 8 seconds. Twice as fast is certainly worth it to me.
3. A 300k suit is extravagant. Why would you use that if you are only going to average 1,000 WP and/or not in a serious fight? My go to is a Basic Minmatar with Core Repair, Viziam Flux Uplink, and Advanced Rep Hive. Costs less than 70k, I think around 65 if I recall correctly. It's purpose is to help my team get to the objective faster and to stay on it with fast Spawn Time and Repair. I pull some pretty good numbers when I do it and feel like I was a valuable member of the team.

In truth, my WP's have gone up since Bandwidth as I was one to always stay as Logistics rather than throw Uplinks everywhere and go Heavy. I am mostly coming from non-Skirmish but I haven't seen any real problems. I am very curious what matches you are playing if you are stating that Sentinels are rare.

I have 3 proto logis

It's my main role to fun in pubs when drunk

You say there are no good heavies you ever heard of the concept called squading up ?
Logi isn't really viable as a solo role ..it used to be now it's not ..bring your own heavies

Logis are fine ..all use full except the caldari logi

They are far to slow and have such little stamina.

That's a bit expensive don't you think? You'll most likely die 3-4 times and lose isk anyway. I think basic and advanced equipment needs to be slightly better.

I have generally pulled 300,000 ISK or more when using that fit when I do well so it hasn't been that bad. Equipment is expensive compared to every other module other than weapons though.

I know it's not uncommon to get that much, but it is really bad that you would have to run a suit that costs 65k+ to have a decent logi fit.

Due to bandwidth and the rarity of heavies.

I'm having a bit of fun putting down 4 links as a STD Amarr logi and getting a steady stream of WP from spawning people in.

I rarely play logi except in PC.

Just too expensive and too unappealing of a role for me, personally, as I enjoy killing people rather than helping others kill.

That, and all the flashbacks to when it was the only role I could effectively play when I started playing this game with MKB, and the thousands and thousands of deaths and the sub 1.0 KDR that took me a long time to dig my way out of. lol

Due to bandwidth and the rarity of heavies, logis have become obsolete. It is no longer worth skilling into or spending 300k isk per suit just to average 1000wp's per game. I often find myself wasting nanohives or other equipment that I lay down, just for some scout to barely use it's capacity. Most of my equipment is left on the battlefield in a random place on the map. Given the scarcity of CQC, logis can barely find heavies to rep. Most of the time I find myself repping scouts while running 300+ meters to the next battle/objective. They don't even need me to rep them because every suit has armor repair now, and they would have recovered by the time they made it to the next scenario anyway.

Uplinks got nerfed to hell and are only useful if your skilled into amarr. Otherwise you'd be better off saving the 700k SP and just using militia or standard. The majority of my Wp's come from reviving mercs, but that's harder to do now that 70% of the maps are open space. I spend 30 seconds running to revive them and they bleed out before I can get to them or get shot from some player camping the supply depot with a rail rifle.

It's really ridiculous though when it comes down to how inefficient the logis equipment has become. I get what CCP was going for by making these maps spacious, with vast open space for vehicles and certain locations reserved for compounds or CQC, and how in their minds they picture a squad moving from compound/objective to another location with all of this empty space in between, but that's not how it actually plays out. And we all know this.

So we are left with scouts and assaults running around camping the objectives and spraying out into the open areas safe from counter fire. All the mean while billy bob solo keeps dying out in the open trying to push towards these "fortified" points with no cover or a squad to back him up. And so the idea crumbles. And so you are forced to not push other objectives and just camp your own, or cloak up and sneak all the way around the other side and flank them which takes a lot of time and in any case you have to join the bandwagon because there is no other way around this problem as a solo player or small squadron. And so as I said before you have to play scout or assault when pushing a point or in other words, just trying to play the game the way it was intended. To push points and capture objectives.

And this is why you don't see a lot of heavies anymore and why logis are pretty much useless unless they are dropping equipment for themselves.

As an almost full time logi, I feel very relevant. I wish I could get points for active scans though, it's the one thing I do to help the team I get very little return on.

dunno what game you're playing but its still **** easy to go top wp in a game running links/needle/repper. just not 4x everyone else every time.

and THANK FECK equipment spam is over. no more brain dead morons spamming links and hives next to a supply depot the entire match.

Std Amarr logi, flux uplinks = profit.

Skilling into a logi is expensive,the amount of sp needed to skill into all of the different equipment pales to any other class.CCP nerfed us with the race perks which forced many to skill into other races to optimize what we had before.The addition of armor repair on every fitting reduces the need to have a logi with a rep tool.The bandwidth change should help logis but many have left due to the constant witchhunt.Many players are upset when they see a logi at the top of the boards,even though they forget that we were helping them directly. The chickens have come home to roost, I will continue to run Amarlogi for links, Min logi for reps, Gal logi for scans, and yes I have reflexes of a dead squirrel and can't hit the side of a barn.Look forward to squading up with anyone who wants a support logi before we become unicorns.

I have noticed the exact opposite of everything you have listed. I have Minmatar Logistics 5 and max on all equipment other than Scanner.

1. I have never had a game where Heavies were rare. I always find some fat bastard to rep and assist in their killing spree.
2. Uplinks were nerfed a while ago and for good reason. It was a little bit too fast to spawn in with no detriment from a Militia Uplink. Stating that there is no reason to level them up is far from the truth. Militia Uplinks give off a 15 second spawn time. My Viziam Flux Uplinks throw out mercs every 8 seconds. Twice as fast is certainly worth it to me.
3. A 300k suit is extravagant. Why would you use that if you are only going to average 1,000 WP and/or not in a serious fight? My go to is a Basic Minmatar with Core Repair, Viziam Flux Uplink, and Advanced Rep Hive. Costs less than 70k, I think around 65 if I recall correctly. It's purpose is to help my team get to the objective faster and to stay on it with fast Spawn Time and Repair. I pull some pretty good numbers when I do it and feel like I was a valuable member of the team.

In truth, my WP's have gone up since Bandwidth as I was one to always stay as Logistics rather than throw Uplinks everywhere and go Heavy. I am mostly coming from non-Skirmish but I haven't seen any real problems. I am very curious what matches you are playing if you are stating that Sentinels are rare.

I'm all for increasing the amount of equipment logis can use. Give them 9000 Bandwidth for all I care.
But the bandwidth on other suits needs to stay.
No more switching from logi once the links are down.

Cal logi needs a buff, but logis are far from fine. They are far to slow and have such little stamina. I would like to see them have similar stats to the assault (Not HP though). They need something more. I am hoping bonuses get changed and all get a rep tool bonus.

A speed stamina buff fir logis is not unwarranted ..but otherwise they are fine

Due to... the rarity of heavies

Lol dont act so dramatic, I have a galogi on my main that does everything just fine and scans exceptionally well. I have an alt with amarr logi and all proto equipment and the wp from uplinks is nice and he does everything else equally well. Theres no reason to run more than one logi suit per char, just use the one that suits your needs. It is an sp investment to do well, but it also is the most constant payout even at early levels.

You sir are correct in that all of the logi races still perform their functions adequately, but a true support logi tries to squeeze as much equipment efficiency out of everything at their disposal.Sure I could use the same race suit for everything saving me tons of sp for other things, but my team may not have that little edge they could use at the crucial moment to get that kill, hack that point, or get back into the fray sooner. My main purpose is to help the team be the most efficient at any given time.This role has been targeted on many troll posts and the lack of support logis proves my point.You call me Dramatic with your snipe, I consider myself enthusiastic about a role that is disappearing due to a small group that wants this role along with most of the others to all be the same.

Why not? Why is this such a bad thing? Because those of us who have the skill and skill points would be versatile? Since when has it been a bad thing to contribute to your team any way you can? Just because some people ruined it by exploiting it, doesn't mean that you should punish the guy who drop 50mil SP into other roles. We should be able to contribute to our team anyway we can. Why are guys like myself being held back?

If I want to drop 9 uplinks across the map in strategic places, so that my team can spawn in and push objectives, then go on a killing spree, hacking spree, or whatever, why shouldn't I have that right? Have guys like myself become too versatile or OP? Does this bother people when I rack up 30 kills and 4k+ wp's? Am I not making it a good fight? Would it not be as fun if I only did one or the other? This is bullcrap. There is no sense is bandwidth other than to prevent equipment spam. Holding back the potential of fulfilling multiple roles does this game no justice.