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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:41:00 -
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Just to chime in, warbarges have never been given an official model or concept art of their exterior that I've found. We've only been loosely 'shown' that they might be capital sized. Providing that they're even as big as an orca or an industrial or something like that. Also, remember that there is a distinction between MCC (which is what they might be renaming clone packs to, so that flotillas produce MCC's, and public contracts provide them) and War Barges (which house MCC's and almost every other function essential to us. Based simply on the little I've been able to dig up, a warbarge can hold ~10-20 MCC's, which isn't a huge issue when you consider the amount of packed frigates even an industrial can hold - simply have it assemble them before a fight.
It's just another piece of slightly contradictory dust lore like all clones being 'generic'... and then trailers are shown where characters remove their helmets and they each have their own unique model straight out of the eve character creator. I think this would be a great point to establish that all of our clones are unique to us, and are produced onboard the MCC, via a clone facility (using biomass from planet) and then teleported to battle via drop uplinks or anything else that provides the 'spawn-in' coordinates.
In regards to how our assets get transported around - please remember that CCP has always considered missions even for capsuleers to be 'non-canon'. So while 'missions are always being run' just like 'ground battles are always being fought' every single one is simply an abstraction of what happens in the fluff. Warbarges should be something that we move around space to do FW / PC at some later date (ie, when there's resources to actually worry about it), but for now will function fine as an abstraction.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:29:00 -
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Doing some reading for the theoretical production of our own clones (could explain why payouts are so low in isk, as we also receive a substantial bit of biomass as payment). Titans can carry 75 jump clones, as part of their production requirements they require 500 capital clone vat bays which have a listed volume of 10000m3 and a mass of 10000kg each. Rorquals also use these things, but only hold 6 jump clones and use 30 parts.
Both of these numbers put it around somewhere like 6 clone vat bays to an individual clone. They also use a special module to receive jump clone data.
Making an assumption and stating that the average mercenary uses maybe 12-15 clones in a crazy hard fight, and would likely carry a reserve of 2x expected losses we'd carry maybe 30 prepped clones. 30 * 6 = 180 capital clone vat bays at 10000m3 per equals 1.8million m3 of space. Maybe say this also includes some of the production facilities too, and that we can churn out clones rather fast (>1hr).
Gives us a starting point for scale, we'd also have w/e warbarge modules, armoury, vehicle bays, mcc storage, etcetera.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.01.15 07:27:00 -
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^are you aware of how many carriers, dreads, orcas, rorquals, freighters, jump freighters & machariels there are in eve? Every one of those is either a cap or cap sized.
In an API thing I found on reddit from 2012, it lists something like 10000+ super carrier & Titan pilots by name. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ttaPlFogNceWTfN5jKl5PXg/htmlview
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.01.15 09:22:00 -
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^There's a lot of contradictory fluff out there in regards to that. I'm of the opinion that warbarges are and very much should be driving a fluff change for us.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.01.15 23:59:00 -
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I can pull a few old trailers that show us having customized clones inside our dropsuit. Straight from the eve character creator. Personally I feel like this is a fluff change that should be happening with warbarges. No more generic clones, all custom ones.
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MINA Longstrike
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:11:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:I can pull a few old trailers that show us having customized clones inside our dropsuit. Straight from the eve character creator. Personally I feel like this is a fluff change that should be happening with warbarges. No more generic clones, all custom ones. Trailers aren't exactly the best reference for lore. I don't remember who it was that did most of the video editing for the official trailers but it wasn't CCP Abraxis (who to my knowledge is still the lore master). The trailers likely use non-generic clones to illustrate to a customer base a sense of self and identity, which is far from the truth of what we've got in the reality of the lore.
I'll agree with you there, but honestly I feel like it's misrepresentative to show 'unique' clones and then say 'no really the fluff actually says you're generic clones'.
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