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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.01.14 19:54:00 -
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How the hell does Dust 514 lore work o.o;;
1) Question: How big are war-barges? How does each merc obtain one as soon as they become a clone trooper? What's the explanation?
1.a) In-game Basis:
So, each merc gets their own personal warbarge. Cool! But uhh, that seems like quite a bit of this to be given out to clone mercs on an individual basis all willy nilly. That's a lot of crew to service and transport every single asset that that merc owns on an infinite scale.
1.b) Player theory:
Given the scale of that picture above, it seems rather strange that each merc starting out would have access to that amount of manpower right from the start. Assuming that warbarges come in varying sizes, it's reasonable to assume that a war-barge is about the size of a Destroyer; has a lot of guns, room for modules, quarters, can even hold a lot of cargo. A catalyst destroyer has 400m3 worth of cargo space which is about 90 Tanks assuming that they're the size of an M1 Abrams. But that leads to the question of...
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2) Question:
How do our assets get transported?
2.a) In-game Basis:
Kay, so, we have a contract half-way across New Eden. It's like, a good couple of light-years away at least. As explained by Project Legion, we transfer our consciousness to our clones as opposed to having to physically go there. But that entails the issue of how our assets get transported over there... We don't necessarily have 'teleportation' technology, sooo how's it get there for us to use? RDVs can bring us the vehicles but they have to come somewhere remotely close to get there as fast as they do...
2.b) Player Theory:
Okay, so maybe they don't have to be transported with us to the battle site. Seems rather illogical to have to transport that manually, gate to gate, to get it to us when we're (relatively speaking) instantly hitting the battlefield from our quarters. It'd be even more illogical to say that they magically teleport when we have Freighter pilots in Eve who have to manually ship everything.
So let's say, for the sake of reason, that everything we own is actually a 'credit' that is purchased. We don't -PHYSICALLY- own the asset. We own the credit of the asset and it is provided on site by the contracting corporation or nearest service provider. It just gets manufactured/stocked on site and brought to our clone where-ever they are! But, if they're being brought to our clones...
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3) Question:
How do our clones know that they are... our clones?
3.a) In-game Basis:
Serpentis contracted a team of 16 people to fight against the Gallente Federation. Cool! They've given us 120 clones to work with. Even better! But, there's a problem... How do those clones know who they're going to be assigned to? In Eve Online, a clone is unique to the Capsuleer. It matches their genetic code and appearance. If the same were to apply to Dust mercs then we'd have to uhh... Well, we'd have to have them ready to go right from the start. We couldn't just jack into however many clones we needed without them being blank slates that just happen to know our skill sets, adapt to our appearances and genetic structure.
3.a) Player Theory:
Nanites.
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So, if you're not a dev and you have a theory or additional question.. Discuss! If you're a dev or ISD, give us a hint or something 
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.01.14 22:10:00 -
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Denak Kalamari wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:How the hell does Dust 514 lore work o.o;; 1) Question: How big are war-barges? How does each merc obtain one as soon as they become a clone trooper? What's the explanation? 1.a) In-game Basis: So, each merc gets their own personal warbarge. Cool! But uhh, that seems like quite a bit of this to be given out to clone mercs on an individual basis all willy nilly. That's a lot of crew to service and transport every single asset that that merc owns on an infinite scale. I'm sorry, but your information is way off on everything on this, where did you even get the idea that every mercenary gets their own Warbarge? And with the picture you're linked, are you referring to the ship docked to the side or the whole structure in general? When mercenaries first become clone soldiers, they get put into their personal quarters within a station that is shared by other clone soldiers, capsuleers and baseliners alike. The system and station information you see on the top right is the station your clone soldier is located in. At no point in this process does every merc get supplied with their own Warbarge, or even an MCC. When a clone soldier deploys into a battle, the Warbarge is the one that stays in orbit, in the least containing the clones, MCC and presumably equipment for the dusters to be used in battle. The corporation that supplied the battle contract are the people who own and control the Warbarge in this entire process. As for its scale, using these two pictures as a reference, my guesstimation is that they are about the medium sized cruisers like the Thorax or Arbitrator, or very large destroyers.
Someone clearly doesn't pay attention to current events.
Also, the picture linked is a picture of an in-game warbarge from Project Legion. RDVs can be seen and the ships docked on the left are MCC's with HAVs at the bottom.
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Tears collected from Redline sniping -:- 45
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.01.14 23:00:00 -
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We saw War Barges back in the closed beta intro scene. We're on War Barges whenever we're about to start a match. There's a lot to offer a sense of scale.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.01.15 05:10:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:I think simply you just have the understanding that there are different classes of barges. AKA Merc barges and Corp Barges.
Good enough x3
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Aeon Amadi
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:04:00 -
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Please provide sources when claiming that someone's lore citation is incorrect, contradictory, or otherwise wrong.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.01.16 00:48:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:I can pull a few old trailers that show us having customized clones inside our dropsuit. Straight from the eve character creator. Personally I feel like this is a fluff change that should be happening with warbarges. No more generic clones, all custom ones.
Trailers aren't exactly the best reference for lore. I don't remember who it was that did most of the video editing for the official trailers but it wasn't CCP Abraxis (who to my knowledge is still the lore master). The trailers likely use non-generic clones to illustrate to a customer base a sense of self and identity, which is far from the truth of what we've got in the reality of the lore.
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Tears collected from Redline sniping -:- 45
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