DUST Search - WHAT CCP SHOULD DO TO LEGION

Sergamon Draco wrote:

DaReaperPW wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Sergamon Draco wrote:

Every one who defending legion being only for pc, are saying "we want only that legion is growing" 1st if legion come pc onlyhow will it grow, with eve players i doubt that those who play eve online seriously will use eve playtime to play legion.
2nd i may be wrong but eve playerbase isnt growing, not huge increase in playerbase so not many new players have change to play legion
3.ps4 has sold i may be wrong, about 20mil copys and if legion would also released on ps4 and lets say 5% start playing legion on ps4 that would mean 1million new dusters

Yeah, that was the whole thought process that lead to the ps3 debacle.

FPS games work well on PC.

Yup.. the ps3 has 60m units sold, if only 1% of people with a ps3 play dust that will be 600k dust bunnies!!!!

except thats not what happened. So its a dumb argument.

The biggest reason why dust may have failed, though i don;t think it did, it just under performed, and ccp wants to focus on pc, but the biggest reason is there is ZERO reason for an eve player to give a flying **** about a dust player. And visa versa. None. OB is a gimick. If dust had come to pc, and had some type of game play that could of enhanced eve's play, the players of eve would of flocked to dust and helped build it up. They coudl of gotten there buddies who don;t liek eve but play say counter strike into dust and into corps and alliances of both and maybe gotten them to try eve eventually. The point is, any tie in to eve at all, MUST have game play that makes the eve players give a **** about the legion or dust players, and visa versa, otherwise it will both fail, and should be a stand alone game.

Ok 60mil sold in what 8th years,ps4 has sold about 20mil just in one year. Dust 514 came 2013 to ps3,7years after ps3 came imagine if dust 514 had launched 1-3 years after ps3 launch,there would surely be bigger playerbase.Now ccp has change to import dust 514 to ps4 early and get bigger pb than ps3 had

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HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.01.14 05:20:00 - [1] - Quote With the Ps4 out the graphics and frame rate are tremendusly better. So releasing Legion on ps4 would be a great idea not only for us, but for CCP. Advertise your product CCP and mention the connection to PC. Ohh.. i know if you cannot afford an actual commercial, get Pewdi Pie or another famous youtuber to advertize since he has a lot of kids that follow his channel. GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 68	Posted - 2015.01.14 11:36:00 - [2] - Quote Console peeps complain about m&k. I want Legion to grow and not be held down by anything. Sony will hold them down, I'm sure of it. PS4 may be outdated good gaming but I personally hope Legion goes PC & PS4. If they can only do one, I'd rather the game be released on PC. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
SuperMido Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 110	Posted - 2015.01.14 12:34:00 - [3] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: With the Ps4 out the graphics and frame rate are tremendusly better. So releasing Legion on ps4 would be a great idea not only for us, but for CCP. Advertise your product CCP and mention the connection to PC. Ohh.. i know if you cannot afford an actual commercial, get Pewdi Pie or another famous youtuber to advertize since he has a lot of kids that follow his channel. Do we really want another FAILURE as Dust 514 was?? What you're suggesting is EXACTLY what they did with Dust, and look where that ended. Such a game with high ambitions, if they want to do it right, it has to be on PC and ONLY PC... I'm no hater of consoles, I own a PS4 myself, and I think I even game on it more than my PC.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1100	Posted - 2015.01.14 16:09:00 - [4] - Quote Best if it's only on PC so it's not held back for however long this current console gen lasts. Having it on PC and Ps4 would be alright though..... Should Legion be on the ps4?
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2424	Posted - 2015.01.15 17:02:00 - [5] - Quote da GAND wrote: Best if it's only on PC so it's not held back for however long this current console gen lasts. Having it on PC and Ps4 would be alright though..... Personally, I don't think having it on PS4 would be a good idea. That would mean that CCP still needs to deal with all the Sony red tape, and frankly, I don't think they can afford to do that. Even though the PS4 is essentially a mid to low range PC it would still mean running two games basically due to the walled garden, dealing with an external company (Sony) etc. I think CCP is going to struggle to put this game to market as it is, and I don't think they need the added burden. Maybe down the road though if legion becomes a success at some point, then port to PS4 or whatever exists at that time.
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1102	Posted - 2015.01.15 17:33:00 - [6] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: da GAND wrote: Best if it's only on PC so it's not held back for however long this current console gen lasts. Having it on PC and Ps4 would be alright though..... Personally, I don't think having it on PS4 would be a good idea. That would mean that CCP still needs to deal with all the Sony red tape, and frankly, I don't think they can afford to do that. Even though the PS4 is essentially a mid to low range PC it would still mean running two games basically due to the walled garden, dealing with an external company (Sony) etc. I think CCP is going to struggle to put this game to market as it is, and I don't think they need the added burden. Maybe down the road though if legion becomes a success at some point, then port to PS4 or whatever exists at that time. Completely agree that it would be more trouble, sigh I just think of how far ahead Dust514 would be in development right now if it were on PC to begin with. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Moorian Flav 296	Posted - 2015.01.15 19:38:00 - [7] - Quote Quote: Completely agree that it would be more trouble, sigh I just think of how far ahead Dust514 would be in development right now if it were on PC to begin with. There is a lot of shooter competition on PC. DUST may of not even survived this long if it was actually released on PC. If Legion ever happens, it might not either. I don't troll; I tell the truth. I'm also known as "The ANTI-Propaganda Machine".
da GAND Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 1102	Posted - 2015.01.15 20:39:00 - [8] - Quote Moorian Flav wrote: Quote: Completely agree that it would be more trouble, sigh I just think of how far ahead Dust514 would be in development right now if it were on PC to begin with. There is a lot of shooter competition on PC. DUST may of not even survived this long if it was actually released on PC. If Legion ever happens, it might not either. True there is plenty shooters out there on PC out there but the idea of Dust514 ( connected to EVE, player trading, Owning land and fighting for it in massive battles, fighting in Stations and ships, the customization of our dropsuits, ) is enough to get people to stick with it and not label it as another f2p shooter. Should Legion be on the ps4?
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 560	Posted - 2015.01.15 20:52:00 - [9] - Quote Every one who defending legion being only for pc, are saying "we want only that legion is growing" 1st if legion come pc onlyhow will it grow, with eve players i doubt that those who play eve online seriously will use eve playtime to play legion. 2nd i may be wrong but eve playerbase isnt growing, not huge increase in playerbase so not many new players have change to play legion 3.ps4 has sold i may be wrong, about 20mil copys and if legion would also released on ps4 and lets say 5% start playing legion on ps4 that would mean 1million new dusters Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Buster Friently Rosen Association 2425	Posted - 2015.01.15 22:18:00 - [10] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: Every one who defending legion being only for pc, are saying "we want only that legion is growing" 1st if legion come pc onlyhow will it grow, with eve players i doubt that those who play eve online seriously will use eve playtime to play legion. 2nd i may be wrong but eve playerbase isnt growing, not huge increase in playerbase so not many new players have change to play legion 3.ps4 has sold i may be wrong, about 20mil copys and if legion would also released on ps4 and lets say 5% start playing legion on ps4 that would mean 1million new dusters Yeah, that was the whole thought process that lead to the ps3 debacle. FPS games work well on PC.

ZDub 303 Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 3349	Posted - 2015.01.16 21:43:00 - [11] - Quote Pretty sure by the time Legion is released the PS4 will be near EOL.
DaReaperPW Net 7 72	Posted - 2015.01.16 23:38:00 - [12] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Every one who defending legion being only for pc, are saying "we want only that legion is growing" 1st if legion come pc onlyhow will it grow, with eve players i doubt that those who play eve online seriously will use eve playtime to play legion. 2nd i may be wrong but eve playerbase isnt growing, not huge increase in playerbase so not many new players have change to play legion 3.ps4 has sold i may be wrong, about 20mil copys and if legion would also released on ps4 and lets say 5% start playing legion on ps4 that would mean 1million new dusters Yeah, that was the whole thought process that lead to the ps3 debacle. FPS games work well on PC. Yup.. the ps3 has 60m units sold, if only 1% of people with a ps3 play dust that will be 600k dust bunnies!!!! except thats not what happened. So its a dumb argument. The biggest reason why dust may have failed, though i don;t think it did, it just under performed, and ccp wants to focus on pc, but the biggest reason is there is ZERO reason for an eve player to give a flying ** about a dust player. And visa versa. None. OB is a gimick. If dust had come to pc, and had some type of game play that could of enhanced eve's play, the players of eve would of flocked to dust and helped build it up. They coudl of gotten there buddies who don;t liek eve but play say counter strike into dust and into corps and alliances of both and maybe gotten them to try eve eventually. The point is, any tie in to eve at all, MUST have game play that makes the eve players give a ** about the legion or dust players, and visa versa, otherwise it will both fail, and should be a stand alone game.
DaReaperPW Net 7 72	Posted - 2015.01.16 23:47:00 - [13] - Quote To answer the op: What CCP shoudl do with legion is go all or nothing. You either: Fully tie it into eve, so that there is game play that the eve player cares about the legion player, and the legion player cares about the eve player. That both games complement and enhance eachother, but are not 100% cruical to the other successeding. I.E. legion can help take station in eve but they are not nessicary. EVE players can make legion gear, but its not required. Both MUST care about the other being there. Otherwise its like having two cities split by a wall with a few people going back and forth. Most people won;t care about the other city. or Legion must be stand alone, with ZERO intigration into eve, and no word on any future intigration. Because any hint of 'well in x years we will link the tow' could hinder growth if said x years is not met. Its best to say 'they are seperate with no interaction just int eh same setting (i.e. SC vs SC Ghost, or Warcraft Vs. WoW) then one day 'oh btw as of xxx legion and eve will be intigrating. CCP needs to go all or nothing. Because if its half assed in the middle, it will not help either game in the long run. IMO ofc
Sergamon Draco Rautaleijona 560	Posted - 2015.01.17 06:33:00 - [14] - Quote DaReaperPW wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Every one who defending legion being only for pc, are saying "we want only that legion is growing" 1st if legion come pc onlyhow will it grow, with eve players i doubt that those who play eve online seriously will use eve playtime to play legion. 2nd i may be wrong but eve playerbase isnt growing, not huge increase in playerbase so not many new players have change to play legion 3.ps4 has sold i may be wrong, about 20mil copys and if legion would also released on ps4 and lets say 5% start playing legion on ps4 that would mean 1million new dusters Yeah, that was the whole thought process that lead to the ps3 debacle. FPS games work well on PC. Yup.. the ps3 has 60m units sold, if only 1% of people with a ps3 play dust that will be 600k dust bunnies!!!! except thats not what happened. So its a dumb argument. The biggest reason why dust may have failed, though i don;t think it did, it just under performed, and ccp wants to focus on pc, but the biggest reason is there is ZERO reason for an eve player to give a flying ** about a dust player. And visa versa. None. OB is a gimick. If dust had come to pc, and had some type of game play that could of enhanced eve's play, the players of eve would of flocked to dust and helped build it up. They coudl of gotten there buddies who don;t liek eve but play say counter strike into dust and into corps and alliances of both and maybe gotten them to try eve eventually. The point is, any tie in to eve at all, MUST have game play that makes the eve players give a ** about the legion or dust players, and visa versa, otherwise it will both fail, and should be a stand alone game. Ok 60mil sold in what 8th years,ps4 has sold about 20mil just in one year. Dust 514 came 2013 to ps3,7years after ps3 came imagine if dust 514 had launched 1-3 years after ps3 launch,there would surely be bigger playerbase.Now ccp has change to import dust 514 to ps4 early and get bigger pb than ps3 had Fck the kdr,i`m going in
Starlight Burner ROGUE RELICS VP Gaming Alliance 75	Posted - 2015.01.17 08:03:00 - [15] - Quote Sergamon Draco wrote: DaReaperPW wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Sergamon Draco wrote: Every one who defending legion being only for pc, are saying "we want only that legion is growing" 1st if legion come pc onlyhow will it grow, with eve players i doubt that those who play eve online seriously will use eve playtime to play legion. 2nd i may be wrong but eve playerbase isnt growing, not huge increase in playerbase so not many new players have change to play legion 3.ps4 has sold i may be wrong, about 20mil copys and if legion would also released on ps4 and lets say 5% start playing legion on ps4 that would mean 1million new dusters Yeah, that was the whole thought process that lead to the ps3 debacle. FPS games work well on PC. Yup.. the ps3 has 60m units sold, if only 1% of people with a ps3 play dust that will be 600k dust bunnies!!!! except thats not what happened. So its a dumb argument. The biggest reason why dust may have failed, though i don;t think it did, it just under performed, and ccp wants to focus on pc, but the biggest reason is there is ZERO reason for an eve player to give a flying ** about a dust player. And visa versa. None. OB is a gimick. If dust had come to pc, and had some type of game play that could of enhanced eve's play, the players of eve would of flocked to dust and helped build it up. They coudl of gotten there buddies who don;t liek eve but play say counter strike into dust and into corps and alliances of both and maybe gotten them to try eve eventually. The point is, any tie in to eve at all, MUST have game play that makes the eve players give a ** about the legion or dust players, and visa versa, otherwise it will both fail, and should be a stand alone game. Ok 60mil sold in what 8th years,ps4 has sold about 20mil just in one year. Dust 514 came 2013 to ps3,7years after ps3 came imagine if dust 514 had launched 1-3 years after ps3 launch,there would surely be bigger playerbase.Now ccp has change to import dust 514 to ps4 early and get bigger pb than ps3 had Sony has only sold that many consoles because of how Microsoft messed up with their E3 and console reveal. If you remember, the gamers of Xbox boycotted Xbox and went to PlayStation. Just because they sold a lot doesn't mean crap. Harmonix just released new DLC for Rock Band 3. Reason why I bring this up, is because they stopped making DLC for Rock Band 3 2 years ago in April; however, Harmonix just relased 4 news DLC tracks for us and the player base came back to their Xbox 360 & PS3 just to play the new tracks and Rock Band again. They could've made DUST work on PS3. Unfortunately, that didn't work out now did it? Legion should be PC & PS4. If only one choice, PC. PC is ever changing and what CCP is best at working on. CCP can compete with Star Citizen but only if they do it correctly. Such as, the immersion between a Capsule pilot and a Mercenary needs to be extraordinarily awesome. Something that brought me to play DUST. Thank god for CCP Rattati!! Rogue Relics is my home away from home.
HOLY PERFECTION G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 7	Posted - 2015.01.17 09:44:00 - [16] - Quote SuperMido wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: With the Ps4 out the graphics and frame rate are tremendusly better. So releasing Legion on ps4 would be a great idea not only for us, but for CCP. Advertise your product CCP and mention the connection to PC. Ohh.. i know if you cannot afford an actual commercial, get Pewdi Pie or another famous youtuber to advertize since he has a lot of kids that follow his channel. Do we really want another FAILURE as Dust 514 was?? What you're suggesting is EXACTLY what they did with Dust, and look where that ended. Such a game with high ambitions, if they want to do it right, it has to be on PC and ONLY PC... I'm no hater of consoles, I own a PS4 myself, and I think I even game on it more than my PC. Stop Hating GO BIG OR GO HOME!
Helghus Resther Heisen Republic 58	Posted - 2015.01.18 00:04:00 - [17] - Quote da GAND wrote: Moorian Flav wrote: Quote: Completely agree that it would be more trouble, sigh I just think of how far ahead Dust514 would be in development right now if it were on PC to begin with. There is a lot of shooter competition on PC. DUST may of not even survived this long if it was actually released on PC. If Legion ever happens, it might not either. True there is plenty shooters out there on PC out there but the idea of Dust514 ( connected to EVE, player trading, Owning land and fighting for it in massive battles, fighting in Stations and ships, the customization of our dropsuits, ) is enough to get people to stick with it and not label it as another f2p shooter. One of the things that actually made the interaction between Eve and Dust interesting was the fact that it was PC to PS3 interconnectivity. It was doing something original; wouldn't have been much of a big deal at all of both were on PC. At any rate, the interconnectivity is barely there. There should actually be an economic connection (as said in my thread about Eve to Dust ISK trade) and player run corporations contracting Dust mercenaries. I still have the hope that these things could be implemented, and maybe Dust 514 move on to PS4. The winner of this war will not prove who's right; only, who's left.
bathtubist TRUE SAVAGES Learning Alliance 45	Posted - 2015.02.15 23:03:00 - [18] - Quote HOLY PERFECTION wrote: With the Ps4 out the graphics and frame rate are tremendusly better. So releasing Legion on ps4 would be a great idea not only for us, but for CCP. Advertise your product CCP and mention the connection to PC. Ohh.. i know if you cannot afford an actual commercial, get Pewdi Pie or another famous youtuber to advertize since he has a lot of kids that follow his channel. Not gonna pay a yearly price to play multiplayer on a console I said that once and I said it again
Buwaro Draemon WarRavens Capital Punishment. 1026	Posted - 2015.02.15 23:46:00 - [19] - Quote bathtubist wrote: HOLY PERFECTION wrote: With the Ps4 out the graphics and frame rate are tremendusly better. So releasing Legion on ps4 would be a great idea not only for us, but for CCP. Advertise your product CCP and mention the connection to PC. Ohh.. i know if you cannot afford an actual commercial, get Pewdi Pie or another famous youtuber to advertize since he has a lot of kids that follow his channel. Not gonna pay a yearly price to play multiplayer on a console I said that once and I said it again You seem to not know this. The requirements of needing PS+ to access the multiplayer functions of a game is up to the developer (at least for PS4). And if this game ever gets a PS4 release, it would be on CCP's best interest to not go down that path. Because that way they will WAY more players on PS4. You can still access all online functionalities on the PS4 if you don't have PS+ and the F2P games that are om the PS4 requiere no PS+ so yeah. Your argument is rendered useless and missinformed. Dust was a way to bring the New Eden Universe to consoles. With all its rich lore and deep gameplay. Making Legion PC only will make Legion grow, yes. In terms of content. In player base? Not so much. I really doubt all of Eve players will download Legion. And if you think modded controllers are a problem, CCP will have to deal with a crap ton of hackers which will turn a lot of people off. Not to mention the F2P market is huge on PC, there are tons of better and more polished F2P games on PC which will leave Legion with a low player base, similar to what we have now. The PS4 has been said to have a similar architecture to that of a PC, so I believe making Legion a PS4 game won't requiere as much hassle as making Dust a PS3 game was. Not to mention that developers can deploy patches at free will on the PS4 as well (or so I have heard) since the PS4 is a more open console than the PS3 is. Either route is risky. Make Legion a PS4 game and benefit from the people that can't afford a PS+ meaning more players downloading Legion and playing it, while having to deal to upgrade their game every time a new console is out (which is like every so 8-10 years) Or make Legion a PC game, competing with far more and better games on the F2P market, dealing with massives amounts of hackers which means they would requiere a very big team. I say the PS4 is a better option. And lets face it. You PC guys say that Legion being on console is bad because they need to keep "upgrading it" but you guys know that you will ask CCP to constantly upgrade the graphics and keep polishing gameplay as well. Changes to Damage mods!
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 285	Posted - 2015.02.19 16:26:00 - [20] - Quote Make legion a part of eve forget this ut3 rubbish. Walking/shooting in stations/planets is the future. Then release it on ps4 using the new slimline client they are talking about that only streams the content as its needed. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)



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