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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:30:00 -
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A Prototype Bolt Pistol does 1.5 more damage than a Prototype Ishukone Sniper rifle and has a better fire rate.
Either the sniper is underpowerd or the bolt is overpowerd.
Snipers asked "CCP why can't we have crosshairs??" and CCP replied "because that would be OP" but why the bolt pistol then?
It legitimately is a CQC no-scope sniper that does crazy head shot damage. So this isn't OP?
Also, I know the sniper has like 8x better range but still in a size to damage comparison, I would still expect more from a Sniper but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... That would be OP!
Here's the catch. The bolt pistol is about the size of a banana but the sniper rifle is a meter long...
IRL comparison, what if a Desert Eagle was doing the same amount of damage as a Beretta 50 Cal?
Buff sniper damage and nerf Bolt pistol damage.
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Golden Day
Y.A.M.A.H
837
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:33:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:A Prototype Bolt Pistol does 1.5 more damage than a Prototype Ishukone Sniper rifle and has a better fire rate.
Either the sniper is underpowerd or the bolt is overpowerd.
Snipers asked "CCP why can't we have crosshairs??" and CCP replied "because that would be OP" but why the bolt pistol then?
It legitimately is a CQC no-scope sniper that does crazy head shot damage. So this isn't OP?
Also, I know the sniper has like 8x better range but still in a size to damage comparison, I would still expect more from a Sniper but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... That would be OP!
Here's the catch. The bolt pistol is about the size of a banana but the sniper rifle is a meter long...
IRL comparison, what if a Desert Eagle was doing the same amount of damage as a Beretta 50 Cal?
Buff sniper damage and nerf Bolt pistol damage.
Wen't 19/TWELVE because of some ass hat scout running around with a bolt pistol
You do know that you are the one with four eyes right?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1526
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:34:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:A Prototype Bolt Pistol does 1.5 more damage than a Prototype Ishukone Sniper rifle and has a better fire rate.
Either the sniper is underpowerd or the bolt is overpowerd.
Snipers asked "CCP why can't we have crosshairs??" and CCP replied "because that would be OP" but why the bolt pistol then?
It legitimately is a CQC no-scope sniper that does crazy head shot damage. So this isn't OP?
Also, I know the sniper has like 8x better range but still in a size to damage comparison, I would still expect more from a Sniper but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... That would be OP!
Here's the catch. The bolt pistol is about the size of a banana but the sniper rifle is a meter long...
IRL comparison, what if a Desert Eagle was doing the same amount of damage as a Beretta 50 Cal?
Buff sniper damage and nerf Bolt pistol damage. Wen't 19/TWELVE because of some ass hat scout running around with a bolt pistol
Yea bolt pistol is crazy. There should be no way it should be doing the damage it is. It literally is a better sniper than the sniper rifle.
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TritusX
PH4NT0M5
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:34:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:A Prototype Bolt Pistol does 1.5 more damage than a Prototype Ishukone Sniper rifle and has a better fire rate.
Either the sniper is underpowerd or the bolt is overpowerd.
Snipers asked "CCP why can't we have crosshairs??" and CCP replied "because that would be OP" but why the bolt pistol then?
It legitimately is a CQC no-scope sniper that does crazy head shot damage. So this isn't OP?
Also, I know the sniper has like 8x better range but still in a size to damage comparison, I would still expect more from a Sniper but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.... That would be OP!
Here's the catch. The bolt pistol is about the size of a banana but the sniper rifle is a meter long...
IRL comparison, what if a Desert Eagle was doing the same amount of damage as a Beretta 50 Cal?
Buff sniper damage and nerf Bolt pistol damage. Wen't 19/TWELVE because of some ass hat scout running around with a bolt pistol
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2154
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:36:00 -
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I love IRL comparisons...
They are railguns, bruh.
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Union118
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
276
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:37:00 -
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Yea bolt pistols dont make sence they should be a one or two shot like the breach shotgun. Or less damage with 3 shots max.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1526
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:37:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:I love IRL comparisons...
They are railguns, bruh.
Big railgun does less damage than small railgun? Small railgun has 10x better hit detection?
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1341
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:43:00 -
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Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago?
Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1528
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:44:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago?
Umm no.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1341
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:46:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago? Umm no.
Forgive me, you complain so gorrahm much its hard to keep your cry-threads straight.
Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1528
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:48:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago? Umm no. Forgive me, you complain so gorrahm much its hard to keep your cry-threads straight.
You might as well call every thread asking for change a cry-complain thread.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
7052
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:55:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote: Whine @ one of the only few sidearms that works
If it was OP, it would be FOTM.
Bolt =/= FOTM
Bolt =/= OP
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1341
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Posted - 2015.01.13 01:58:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago? Umm no. Forgive me, you complain so gorrahm much its hard to keep your cry-threads straight. You might as well call every thread asking for change a cry-complain thread.
Depends on the tone, pacing, (lack of) evidence used, OPs post history, etc, but yes, i usually do on unwarranted cry-threads.
Like this one.
Love ya Dukes!
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1531
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:03:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Sir Dukey wrote: Whine @ one of the only few sidearms that works
If it was OP, it would be FOTM.Bolt =/= FOTM Bolt =/= OP
1. Almost all sidearms other than the ion pistol are useful
2. A lot of suits use this weapon
3. This is a comparison between the Sidearm and Light weapon of the same kind. The Sniper Rifles equivalent in a Sidearm is a Bolt pistol just like Combat Rifle is to SMG and Magsec is to Railgun and Flaylock is to Mass driver.
The Sidearm weapon is much superior/too good compared to the Primary weapon.
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BLOOD Ruler
The Lionheart Coalition
768
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:05:00 -
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You know what grinds my gear.... You CCP.
Feel The Burning Pain Of My Knives While Your Skull And Mind Is Wrecked By My Pistol.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1531
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:06:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Weren't you betching about snipers like 18 hours ago? Umm no. Forgive me, you complain so gorrahm much its hard to keep your cry-threads straight. You might as well call every thread asking for change a cry-complain thread. Depends on the tone, pacing, (lack of) evidence used, OPs post history, etc, but yes, i usually do on unwarranted cry-threads. Like this one. Love ya Dukes!
I presented the evidence but just encase you require more- here- a Bolt Pistol at Proto has 134 RoF and 251.5 damage with a .48 second start up charge compared to a Ishukone Sniper which does 250 damage and has RoF of 50.
Anyway- It is just wrong that a pistol is out preforming it's equivalent in a Primary weapon.
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BLOOD Ruler
The Lionheart Coalition
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:06:00 -
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Rattita's awesome by the way.
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Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
General Tso's Alliance
1341
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:11:00 -
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Yes, but you've set up a straw man argument to push your point of nerfing a weapon because people can be good with it.
You're comparing a precision damage rewarding sidearm, arguably the best in class, against an under (if not un)performing niche weapon on one data set, raw damage output.
If you're going to whine about the BP, compare it to the OTHER PISTOLS.
And/or BUFF the sniper to make it perform adequately.
Come on Dukes, you're better than this.
Why are all of you so intellectually inept?
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John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
1141
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:12:00 -
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Forgebolt pistols ))
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
2148
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:14:00 -
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Please, don't bring RL into this.
Btw, a 454 casull will do about the same as a 50 cal rifle round. Blow about a cantaloupe sized hole in ya; its fired from a handgun.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2159
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:20:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Should a Pistol do the same damage as a Sniper per shot?? Think about it, you don't see Pistols in real life doing more damage than a freking 50. cal sniper. You don't see RPG's doing more damage that those 150mm Artillery Tank shells.
1.) The Regular Sniper Rifle shouldn't be though of like a .50 cal. That's more of the Charges Snipers thing. The Regular Sniper should be though of as more of like a 7.62 rifle, which is a more standard sniper rifle.
2.) There are pistols IRL that pack more punch than a .50, a .900 Nitro Express for example.
3.) Modern Tank turrets are typically 120mm, not 150mm.
4.) A handheld TOW missile absolutely outclasses a 120mm tank shell.
5.) This is a game. Stop trying to draw parallels between it and real life. Its ******* dumb and I feel stupid for stooping down to your level and doing it. Stop.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1531
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:20:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Yes, but you've set up a straw man argument to push your point of nerfing a weapon because people can be good with it.
You're comparing a precision damage rewarding sidearm, arguably the best in class, against an under (if not un)performing niche weapon on one data set, raw damage output.
If you're going to whine about the BP, compare it to the OTHER PISTOLS.
And/or BUFF the sniper to make it perform adequately.
Come on Dukes, you're better than this.
It's either or, nerf bolt pistol or buff sniper rifle damage.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
2159
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:22:00 -
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Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Yes, but you've set up a straw man argument to push your point of nerfing a weapon because people can be good with it.
You're comparing a precision damage rewarding sidearm, arguably the best in class, against an under (if not un)performing niche weapon on one data set, raw damage output.
If you're going to whine about the BP, compare it to the OTHER PISTOLS.
And/or BUFF the sniper to make it perform adequately.
Come on Dukes, you're better than this. It's either or, nerf bolt pistol or buff sniper rifle damage.
Buff Pistol Damage and Nerf Sniper Damage. That's my choice.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1531
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:26:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Should a Pistol do the same damage as a Sniper per shot?? Think about it, you don't see Pistols in real life doing more damage than a freking 50. cal sniper. You don't see RPG's doing more damage that those 150mm Artillery Tank shells. 1.) The Regular Sniper Rifle shouldn't be though of like a .50 cal. That's more of the Charges Snipers thing. The Regular Sniper should be though of as more of like a 7.62 rifle, which is a more standard sniper rifle. 2.) There are pistols IRL that pack more punch than a .50, a .900 Nitro Express for example. 3.) Modern Tank turrets are typically 120mm, not 150mm. 4.) A handheld TOW missile absolutely outclasses a 120mm tank shell. 5.) This is a game. Stop trying to draw parallels between it and real life. Its ******* dumb and I feel stupid for stooping down to your level and doing it. Stop.
Generally speaking Sniper do more damage than Pistols.
Also, I didn't mean to put the tank part in, I was just taking about artillery guns.
Also, A TOW missile vs Artillery Gun is more of a Equal vs Equal. I was going off inferior vs superior. Superior- Artillery gun vs inferior(size and damage wise) RPG.
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Sir Dukey
Murphys-Law
General Tso's Alliance
1531
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Posted - 2015.01.13 02:36:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Sir Dukey wrote:Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Yes, but you've set up a straw man argument to push your point of nerfing a weapon because people can be good with it.
You're comparing a precision damage rewarding sidearm, arguably the best in class, against an under (if not un)performing niche weapon on one data set, raw damage output.
If you're going to whine about the BP, compare it to the OTHER PISTOLS.
And/or BUFF the sniper to make it perform adequately.
Come on Dukes, you're better than this. It's either or, nerf bolt pistol or buff sniper rifle damage. Buff Pistol Damage and Nerf Sniper Damage. That's my choice.
How about we also make bolt pistols auto locking and do 9999 damage per shot always head shotting with unlimited ammo and range. We should also make it so that if somebody spawns with a bolt pistol, every one on enemy team dies instantly . Happy?
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JONAHBENHUR
WarRavens
Capital Punishment.
70
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Posted - 2015.01.13 03:01:00 -
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dont listen to this guy. Sniper rifle shoots how far? thats the big equalizer 2-3 damage mods 300 meters away the damage is fine on both weapons
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dy5t0pia
The dyst0pian Corporation
593
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Posted - 2015.01.13 03:24:00 -
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You know what really grinds my gears? ...YOU! AMERICA! **** YOU! ...Diane..
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