Sleepy Shadow
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Posted - 2015.01.13 18:56:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:All your target has to do is backpedal out of your range, then you can't do damage to them.
Sorry, but this is a silly statement. For me to backpedal from a sniper I would have to know exactly where and how far away that sniper is from me and thatGÇÖs almost impossible. I cannot point my AR towards a sniper and see how far they are so people who backpedal from a sniper most likely do it by accident. You can backpedal from a scout as you can see them flailing their arms in front of you but not from a sniper. When IGÇÖm hit by a sniper round I seek cover. If said cover happens to be just outside the sniperGÇÖs range then lucky me.
Quote:Range inconsistency between variations forces counter snipers to use certain variants.
I select my rifle depending on the location of the sniper and their fit, not their distance. And the only reason I have sniper rifles unlocked with proficiency is to counter snipers. Wish I could have used that SP elsewhere.
Quote:Range inconsistency between variations forces snipers to not be able to defend themselves from counter snipers using certain variants.
A little like I have no chance against anyone who wields an ScR or RR when IGÇÖm using a shotgun? I usually try and find cover in those cases, any reason why a sniper cannot do that? If they are in the open, isnGÇÖt that just bad positioning? And if the only counter to a sniper is another sniper then I call fair game.
Quote:Longer range on the Charge Sniper Rifle and higher damage means it's the only one showing up on the killfeed.
I see KaalakiotaGÇÖs and IshukoneGÇÖs (or their lesser variants) more than I do Charged. Can you ask CCP for some definitive numbers?
Quote:Rash of forum posts from people who know nothing about sniping but hate being killed by them and still think they're OP.
Most people hate being killed by something that is either very hard to counter or to avoid. Snipers sitting in the red line are hard to counter and on some maps to avoid. Snipers sitting atop towers are hard to counter and on some maps to avoid. Most of the time the only counter to a sniper is another sniper and how many times has it been discussed that nothing should be countered by itself only?
First and foremost you should petition that CCP move the red line back. So far back that nothing can be covered by snipers (or tanks) sitting in the red line. When this has been changed IGÇÖm sure more people are willing to discuss sniper changes in a civil manner.
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Sleepy Shadow
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Posted - 2015.01.13 23:32:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:The "backpedaling" issue (which I know the scouts love to contribute as being an issue largely unique to them) comes into play with counter-sniping. If I know my target has a tactical sniper rifle, I just field a vanilla rifle and peck him off 100m outside of his max range and watch him squirm due to not being able to fire back. It's really stupid gameplay for both sides.
How is it stupid gameplay to kill someone with a gun that outranges theirs? Why should sniper rifles be any different to most guns in this game? RR users watch me squirm when they catch me out of my optimal with no cover. Hell, snipers watch me squirm if they have me in their sights and I have nowhere to run.
And if you know your target has a tactical rifle you have observed him from afar, you know his location and have made a plan on how to kill him. You most likely know his fit too, so you know how many shots it takes to down him. As far as IGÇÖm concerned, you earned that kill. You would prolly get the kill even if you walked inside his optimal. You know of him, he may not know of you.
Quote:The Sniper Rifle is the only hitscan weapon that does not have range outside of their optimal. I really don't think it's too terrible to ask for a Tactical Sniper Rifle to do 40% damage at 500m but clearly I must be proposing the end of the world because then people could shoot - not necessarily kill, just shoot - from the redline and clearly that is bad juju (even though they are already capable of doing this with 450m ranges....)
Why do you need to shoot from the red line? Leave it if your target is out of range.
Quote:Admitting that you only snipe to kill other snipers while stating that the ranges are fine is like being a Heavy and saying heavies are fine against Logis because you run the Heavy to counter the Logis but wish you could spend the SP somewhere else. You then later on say that the only way to counter a sniper is with another sniper, even though there are a bunch of legitimate snipers (not counter snipers) who would tell you otherwise.
My point of view is no less valid than someone who mainly uses sniper rifles. I am no less GÇ£legitimateGÇ¥ sniper no matter how much you wish it. I have no issues with the ranges because I do not sit in the red line.
According to you a Forge Gun, ADS, a Rail Tank and a Warbarge Strike are counters to snipers. Do you honestly find that reasonable? I need a tank, flying lessons and a massive SP/ISK investment or a six-man squad to take down a sniper!? Good grief.
Forge gun works mostly when the sniper is out of the red line and not head-glitching on some mountain or rooftop. But even then, youGÇÖre asking someone to make a very specific fit to counter you. Heavy is slow and a very easy target to not only you but anyone on the enemy team. And donGÇÖt forget, FG has a shorter range than your sniper rifle and it doesn't work any better than sniping you.
Quote:Countering hyperbole with anecdotal evidence. Dropping that standpoint just because I know it'll never go anywhere.
How about using actual numbers to make a case instead of hyperbole? I strongly recommend it.
Quote:There's no sense in petitioning CCP to move the redline back because it'd likely never happen and we already have at least one map where the spawns aren't in the redline and they're camped with RE's and Shoguns. On the other hand, I still can't justify a large game change like that as opposed to simply letting a sniper rifle do it's kittening job.
It's really not that big of a change to suggest that a Sniper Rifle be able to kill a Drop Uplink at ranges longer than 450m or god forbid get an assist.
So long as you can sit comfortably in the red line and kill people with very few counters, you cannot complain. You want to drop that link 451 metres away? Walk 1 metre closer to it.
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