They are more than decent.

let me hop on and give it a whirl..ill edit this once i have reached a conclusion

Absolute range isn't infinite on any weapons but Large Missile Turrets, and I think they might have even changed that...

For Rifles and Laser it is 250m.
Plasma Cannon and Swarms is 300m.
Those are the ones I know off the top of my head, bit all weapons have a finite absolute range.

Well, it probably wouldn't scale like an AR with like 2500m absolutes.
But I'm for giving snipers a 500m absolute so they can plink at a longer range.

I am really wary of extending the ranges they can effectively kill at, though.
Unless something a bit more, elegant, is done to address redline sniping, I'm kinda against extending their range in any way.

How is 473m on a Thale a bad range?
I know a map that is about 300m wide. The range argument is ridiculous. Sniping doesnt mean that you sit on one spot for 20 mins. There are more than one objective to camp against. Snipers just dont want to deal with risk.

Backpedaling (walking backwards) confers immunity to nova knives and, to a lesser degree, shotguns. How does this apply to sniper rifle range?

You're fighting a losing battle, Aeon.

Almost every other shooter, a sniper has a place and is both hated and valued.

Here it doesn't exist, on merit of whining.
God forbid these voices have a place in any potential future iterations of this game.

In their current form, snipers are a waste of a teammate. Even if the sniper rifle were to receive a buff this would remain the case. When/if Eve: Legion gets released, and if that game features open maps without redlines, then sniping needs to be polished into a real role.

Until then, it can die a painful death.

TL;DR - unfit that sniper rifle and come help your team win.

Any increase to sniper range should include proposals to make it so no less than two non sniper weapons can kill said sniper in those roosts without suicide redline runs.

Anything less is unacceptable.

There is no excuse for the only counter to a sniper being another sniper.

No more of that easy kdr farming bullsh*t.

I'm not neccesairily comfartable with giving Snipers infinite absolute range.

The whole point for other weapons to have absolute range, is because most of those weapons had short ranges so you would frequently do no damage on a target that could still do their optimal damage.

If memory serves the optimal range for Snipers is 300m and their effecitve is 500m, given that the majority of maps are 1Km or less in length, if your outside you effective range you shouldn't be able to hit that guy period.

There are plenty of spots in map that are easily accesable that you can snipe from, which is where the risk of Sniping comes from. If you find a good posistion most of your targets will be between 150-250m range, (coincidentaly at this range the zoom is quite pleaseant), but their is a chance someone flanking (such as scout) can take you out.

If you are atempting to shoot at enemies much further than 300m their is little to no risk. Hence no reward

That said snipers would benifit from a few modcons (tagger rounds, variable zoom, canted ironsights) to make Sniping more user friendly in the closer situations where they should be getting used.

I've sniped quite a 'bit, Aeon, and the Tactical is my favorite of the three. I've truly no idea what it is you're talking about. Backpedaling out of sniper rifle range? One can only assume that you were opening up at the extent of your maximum range, but surely there's more to it than that. Seems a "problem" easily solved by simply taking a few steps forward or repositioning for better vantage.

Not to say the sniper rifle is without issues, but backpedaling?

Sniping could have great potential, but the current iteration of this game really seems to make them counter productive to your team.

Why would players that take this team oriented game seriously want the role with the least risk and least contribution to the team, to be buffed more...

If you are asking for buffs than you should probably propose some ideas to make your role less a a kdr pad and more of a contributor.


Doesn't a sniper hiding so far in the recline that the only counter is another sniper, just scream selfish coward?
Why would we want more of this?

Just think if that many more people were sniping in the hills how skirmish would play out. It would ruin the pace of the game.

We already have a problem getting blueberrys to work towards objectives, thats why we added a new wp mechanic.

I could be wrong but how would this help the game at all?

Sorry, but this is a silly statement. For me to backpedal from a sniper I would have to know exactly where and how far away that sniper is from me and thatGÇÖs almost impossible. I cannot point my AR towards a sniper and see how far they are so people who backpedal from a sniper most likely do it by accident. You can backpedal from a scout as you can see them flailing their arms in front of you but not from a sniper. When IGÇÖm hit by a sniper round I seek cover. If said cover happens to be just outside the sniperGÇÖs range then lucky me.

A little like I have no chance against anyone who wields an ScR or RR when IGÇÖm using a shotgun? I usually try and find cover in those cases, any reason why a sniper cannot do that? If they are in the open, isnGÇÖt that just bad positioning? And if the only counter to a sniper is another sniper then I call fair game.

I select my rifle depending on the location of the sniper and their fit, not their distance. And the only reason I have sniper rifles unlocked with proficiency is to counter snipers. Wish I could have used that SP elsewhere.

I see KaalakiotaGÇÖs and IshukoneGÇÖs (or their lesser variants) more than I do Charged. Can you ask CCP for some definitive numbers?

Most people hate being killed by something that is either very hard to counter or to avoid. Snipers sitting in the red line are hard to counter and on some maps to avoid. Snipers sitting atop towers are hard to counter and on some maps to avoid. Most of the time the only counter to a sniper is another sniper and how many times has it been discussed that nothing should be countered by itself only?

First and foremost you should petition that CCP move the red line back. So far back that nothing can be covered by snipers (or tanks) sitting in the red line. When this has been changed IGÇÖm sure more people are willing to discuss sniper changes in a civil manner.

Herp derp redline redline redline

I was under the impression that Charged had the shortest range at 350m to balance it's high damage and higher headshot bonus. Other Sniper Rifles had something like 400m to 450m depending on variant.

I've only ever had the hits register inside of 350m with the Charged. Odd.

Snipers in the redline used to be able to sit back so far from the redline they wouldn't even render while still being able to kill you.

Sniper rifles still out range every other weapon in the game. The only difference is the redline tools have to roost close enough for people to get to the edge of the redline and actually use the forge to shoot back.

If there was no redline snipers wouldn't be a problem. We'd just run you down. I've killed every sniper I have ever caught shooting me outside the redline.

And given the constricted nature of the maps where snipers can easily thump from redline to redline (you outrange my forge gun in all cases with it's 320 meter absolute range) why the rippling f*ck do you need more range unless to enjoy immunity from retaliation in deep redline?