6) Is it possible to have, instead of our single squad option, which is causing balance issues where 6 man proto squads farm new players.

4 man squads would also justify dropping high end OB WP requirements.

The original 2500 WP drop was actually balanced around the 4 man squads In closed beta where a highly efficient squad could drop three but a decent squad might pull one or two.

The advent of 6 man squads saw the "steel rain" weather patterns that brought about the nerf to begin with.

There are a lot of reasons for baseline 4 man squads.

At the most basic level in military forces, four man "fire teams" led by corporals are the baseline unit. The 8-16 man unit is more appropriately called a squad, whereas a 32-36 man unit would be a platoon.

I know, don't bring real life into my game, but this doctrinal pattern , with minor variation, hasn't changed a whole lot over the last hundred years because it works.

I feel that this is an acceptable, albeit imperfect proposition in the short-term, but the ideal long-term solution needs to include a way for 8 and 16-man units to play ambush and dom matches as well. But yes, no one is standing in the way of this, especially when it has the potential to finally give us an outlet for perpetual team deployments.

If you think I am thrilled by this, then you are mistaken. However, this is the way the wind is blowing. Instead of obstructing the process, I plan on brokering the most equitable outcome I can for all interested parties.

Im starting to think that you arent even reading anything ANYONE has written and you are just ranting and ranting that "well I cant play the game with people ive been playing with for years"

For the sake of having a decent conversation, can you stop repeating that lie? 8 and 16 man squads means youll have even more friends.

Sirmanboy is trying to work out a deal where 8 and 16 man squads could deploy in Public contracts, as long as they are deployed against another pair of 8 man squads or a 16 man squad. So that you and your friends can till queue together for a public dom/ambush/skim.

Everyone is trying to compromise to make sure that new/causal players have somewhere to play, squads have somewhere to play, corps have somewhere to play, ect.

But you arent listening to ANY of this. You just keep repeating that the game is ruined because you cant deploy with 5 other people against an unorganized team of casual players.

The game is going in a very simple direction is going to benefit everyone: If you want to take it easy and play casually, Public is going to be made more friendly. If you like to play team focused and play to win, Faction Warfare is being ramped up and compromises might be made for deploys in Public.

The only people who lose here are people who were counting on running into a team of new players for their success, or people in squads who always get carried, and know they might not make the 4 man cut for the squad, and they aren't good enough to survive in any other mode except by being carried in public. Yeah, its going to be rough for them.



So do us all a favor, go pour yourself a coffee, take a smoke break if you smoke (chew some gum if you dont), and then read through this thread carefully. Youll see that alot of your concerns (No ISK for FW? Should have read the 10 posts from Rattati on mutiple threads about it) have already been looked at and will be part of the consideration for changing squad sizes and restrictions.

I feel that this is an acceptable, albeit imperfect proposition in the short-term, but the ideal long-term solution needs to include a way for 8 and 16-man units to play ambush and dom matches as well. But yes, no one is standing in the way of this, especially when it has the potential to finally give us an outlet for perpetual team deployments.

@ Tesfa Alem

I cannot prove (nor is it my function to prove) whether or not a relationship exists between pubstomps and stompsquads. That doesn't mean that stompsquads aren't stomping matches; nor does it mean that proof does not exist. We know that pertinent match details are stored server-side. Let's assume you and I were somehow able to access that data. If we were to analyze a sample of stomped matches, do you think we (you and I) would find evidence of a relationship between pubstomps and stompsquads? Or do you suspect we'd find proof to the contrary, namely, that no relationship whatsoever exists?

In which of these cases do you think it more likely we would return from our analysis thinking aloud:

Because, (again covered), the playerbase is too small to split up by meta or tier level. If you start tirering people by WP or SP, its going to stretch the playerbase to the point that there will be alot of matches with incomplete teams.

The reason this is a viable matchmaking aid is because it helps spread out the vet players over both teams. Its easier to place vets in blocks of 4 into a situation where they will be opposing eachother instead of all on the same team. 6 man groups, the SP is too concentrated. This dilutes it across both teams.

As for your friends, you can 8 man squad with them, you can 16 man squad with them, you can hang out in a channel, you can skype eachother, you can text and call eachother, email eachother, send chainmail to eachother. So how exactly are you trading your friends in? Where are the burned bridges? Just because you cant deploy with exactly 6 people in the exact mode you want with the exact conditions you want....you wont have any friends? That doesn't make any sense.

But anyway, I doubt you care or that youll take the time to read. You just want your entitlement, and everyone else be damned.

Should they be balanced in FW?
If we have four options: Solo, Squad, Platoon and Battleforce, and the likelihood of winning is greater the larger group you have, what do you think people who want to be successful in FW will do? Band together and form larger groups.
As it should be IMHO.

(At least then we don't have to endure the 6 + 6 + 4 Q-sync mess. I would just find the appropriate Platoon or Battleforce and go)


By making sure a Platoon can never face Solo and small Squads, just other Platoons or Battleforces.