Tried to wrap my head around this a while back in this particular thread but it came up as inconclusive.

Buuut I didn't give up on this thing. I figured I'd humor the community and take a look at it's damage profile from an unbiased viewpoint. Sure, ASCR has a lot going for it, but let's just say there might be some weight to the Damage Profile theory as to why it just sucks (albeit, it doesn't explain it quite as well as the numbers below).

So here's some math.

Lot of you will immediately notice that the damage profile looks a little strange. The ASCR does +20/-20 but in this instance it's doing +35/-20. This is due to the assumption of Proficiency 5 in the weapon across all weapons to provide a better control against our target. It allows us to consider how each weapon performs at it's maximum potential, free of skill level intervention. Being as all (Weapon) Proficiency applies a 15% bonus to whatever the weapon is racially designed against, they affect the damage profiles in dynamic ways.

And it's because of this that the Damage Per Second and Time to Kill are dramatically skewed against the ASCR.

Thing is, the Damage Profile is just the tip of the iceberg with this thing. Assuming a perfect target of 1000 Shields and 1000 Armor, you can start to see how the weapons begin to fall apart in the scope of DPS within their optimal ranges (assuming 0m). The Assault Rifle does it's job, hammering through with raw power despite it's lower damage to armor. The Combat Rifle does fall short against shields, as expected, and the Rail Rifle does have a notably higher TTK (higher being worse) than the other weapons.

Then you look at the ASCR and you understand the problem almost immediately. In terms of TTK, it's functionally the same as an Assault Rifle, but lacks the DPS necessary to powerhouse through armor. It's not so much a factor of Damage Profile as a combination of Damage Profile, Proficiency mechanics, and DPS all tying into one superstorm that weighs heavily against the ASCR. In this case, it is functionally the worst weapon in the Assault line and you are better off using an Assault Rifle if you're aiming for shield based combat.

But that's just a theory... A GAME THEO- no, no, wait Aeon, pretty sure that's copyrighted... Anyway. It's just a theory. Take it or leave it.

...huh

Well, there you go, I guess. Now that I think about it it makes sense. I mean, I can eat Caldari Assaults with an ASCR, but that's only because they have virtually no armor, and only if they aren't using a Rail Rifle.

I don't know, personally I find that the ASCR has extremely, criminally, low recoil.

Well that's not totally true now is it? It has high recoil, but a high center speed which means that even though the recoil is high the gun will return to the center in time to fire the next shot.

This means to things;

1.) It is extremely precise.

2.) It has high visual recoil.

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Because of its high precision I find that I can land an abnormally large amount of head shots particularly against slower targets. I can do this even while hip firing due to the low dispersion of the rifle.

Rattati seems to agree that it is fine. Though unfortunately he says he will give it, an uncessary, buff to make both it and the regular Scrambler Rifle more popular.

High center speed.... So... the reason the RR is so bad in CQC is because of the high kick and practically no center speed unless you stop firing?

The same problem with Magsec. High kick that requires manual centering without high center speed which is why regular SMG is
preferred dispite range difference because it is much more forgiving, breach especially hits like a rhino with a little SP into
Sharpshooter
and proficiency, very little kick, and auto centers well for an automatic weapon. You just gave me an idea for a thread Aztec. +1

Tried to wrap my head around this a while back in this particular thread but it came up as inconclusive.

Buuut I didn't give up on this thing. I figured I'd humor the community and take a look at it's damage profile from an unbiased viewpoint. Sure, ASCR has a lot going for it, but let's just say there might be some weight to the Damage Profile theory as to why it just sucks (albeit, it doesn't explain it quite as well as the numbers below).

So here's some math.

Lot of you will immediately notice that the damage profile looks a little strange. The ASCR does +20/-20 but in this instance it's doing +35/-20. This is due to the assumption of Proficiency 5 in the weapon across all weapons to provide a better control against our target. It allows us to consider how each weapon performs at it's maximum potential, free of skill level intervention. Being as all (Weapon) Proficiency applies a 15% bonus to whatever the weapon is racially designed against, they affect the damage profiles in dynamic ways.

And it's because of this that the Damage Per Second and Time to Kill are dramatically skewed against the ASCR.

Thing is, the Damage Profile is just the tip of the iceberg with this thing. Assuming a perfect target of 1000 Shields and 1000 Armor, you can start to see how the weapons begin to fall apart in the scope of DPS within their optimal ranges (assuming 0m). The Assault Rifle does it's job, hammering through with raw power despite it's lower damage to armor. The Combat Rifle does fall short against shields, as expected, and the Rail Rifle does have a notably higher TTK (higher being worse) than the other weapons.

Then you look at the ASCR and you understand the problem almost immediately. In terms of TTK toward shields, it's functionally the same as an Assault Rifle, but lacks the DPS necessary to powerhouse through. It's not so much a factor of Damage Profile as a combination of Damage Profile, Proficiency mechanics, and DPS all tying into one superstorm that weighs heavily against the ASCR. In this case, it is functionally the worst weapon in the Assault line and you are better off using an Assault Rifle if you're aiming for shield based combat.

But that's just a theory... A GAME THEO- no, no, wait Aeon, pretty sure that's copyrighted... Anyway. It's just a theory. Take it or leave it.

working as intended, the assault variants of other races are not supposed to be as strong as the original assault rifle.

This is bullshit.
Nowhere has it been stated that this is CCPs intention anywhere in the past. Its a ******* stupid rumor that needs to die.

They shouldn't be better or worse. They should be alternatives.

To be fair the original idea was that they were to not be superior, not that they could not be 'on par' with a different flavour. In an ideal world all weapons should be both fun and viable while all feeling different to use and handle.

I don't know, personally I find that the ASCR has extremely, criminally, low recoil.

Well that's not totally true now is it? It has high recoil, but a high center speed which means that even though the recoil is high the gun will return to the center in time to fire the next shot.

This means to things;

1.) It is extremely precise.

2.) It has high visual recoil.

---

Because of its high precision I find that I can land an abnormally large amount of head shots particularly against slower targets. I can do this even while hip firing due to the low dispersion of the rifle.

Rattati seems to agree that it is fine. Though unfortunately he says he will give it, an uncessary, buff to make both it and the regular Scrambler Rifle more popular.