DUST Search - ASCR Suckage: Theory as to Why

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Tried to wrap my head around this a while back in this particular thread but it came up as inconclusive.

Buuut I didn't give up on this thing. I figured I'd humor the community and take a look at it's damage profile from an unbiased viewpoint. Sure, ASCR has a lot going for it, but let's just say there might be some weight to the Damage Profile theory as to why it just sucks (albeit, it doesn't explain it quite as well as the numbers below).

So here's some math.

Lot of you will immediately notice that the damage profile looks a little strange. The ASCR does +20/-20 but in this instance it's doing +35/-20. This is due to the assumption of Proficiency 5 in the weapon across all weapons to provide a better control against our target. It allows us to consider how each weapon performs at it's maximum potential, free of skill level intervention. Being as all (Weapon) Proficiency applies a 15% bonus to whatever the weapon is racially designed against, they affect the damage profiles in dynamic ways.

And it's because of this that the Damage Per Second and Time to Kill are dramatically skewed against the ASCR.

Thing is, the Damage Profile is just the tip of the iceberg with this thing. Assuming a perfect target of 1000 Shields and 1000 Armor, you can start to see how the weapons begin to fall apart in the scope of DPS within their optimal ranges (assuming 0m). The Assault Rifle does it's job, hammering through with raw power despite it's lower damage to armor. The Combat Rifle does fall short against shields, as expected, and the Rail Rifle does have a notably higher TTK (higher being worse) than the other weapons.

Then you look at the ASCR and you understand the problem almost immediately. In terms of TTK, it's functionally the same as an Assault Rifle, but lacks the DPS necessary to powerhouse through armor. It's not so much a factor of Damage Profile as a combination of Damage Profile, Proficiency mechanics, and DPS all tying into one superstorm that weighs heavily against the ASCR. In this case, it is functionally the worst weapon in the Assault line and you are better off using an Assault Rifle if you're aiming for shield based combat.

But that's just a theory... A GAME THEO- no, no, wait Aeon, pretty sure that's copyrighted... Anyway. It's just a theory. Take it or leave it.

...huh

Well, there you go, I guess. Now that I think about it it makes sense. I mean, I can eat Caldari Assaults with an ASCR, but that's only because they have virtually no armor, and only if they aren't using a Rail Rifle.


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Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7759	Posted - 2015.01.11 04:41:00 - [1] - Quote Tried to wrap my head around this a while back in this particular thread but it came up as inconclusive. Buuut I didn't give up on this thing. I figured I'd humor the community and take a look at it's damage profile from an unbiased viewpoint. Sure, ASCR has a lot going for it, but let's just say there might be some weight to the Damage Profile theory as to why it just sucks (albeit, it doesn't explain it quite as well as the numbers below). So here's some math. Lot of you will immediately notice that the damage profile looks a little strange. The ASCR does +20/-20 but in this instance it's doing +35/-20. This is due to the assumption of Proficiency 5 in the weapon across all weapons to provide a better control against our target. It allows us to consider how each weapon performs at it's maximum potential, free of skill level intervention. Being as all (Weapon) Proficiency applies a 15% bonus to whatever the weapon is racially designed against, they affect the damage profiles in dynamic ways. And it's because of this that the Damage Per Second and Time to Kill are dramatically skewed against the ASCR. Thing is, the Damage Profile is just the tip of the iceberg with this thing. Assuming a perfect target of 1000 Shields and 1000 Armor, you can start to see how the weapons begin to fall apart in the scope of DPS within their optimal ranges (assuming 0m). The Assault Rifle does it's job, hammering through with raw power despite it's lower damage to armor. The Combat Rifle does fall short against shields, as expected, and the Rail Rifle does have a notably higher TTK (higher being worse) than the other weapons. Then you look at the ASCR and you understand the problem almost immediately. In terms of TTK toward shields, it's functionally the same as an Assault Rifle, but lacks the DPS necessary to powerhouse through armor. It's not so much a factor of Damage Profile as a combination of Damage Profile, Proficiency mechanics, and DPS all tying into one superstorm that weighs heavily against the ASCR. In this case, it is functionally the worst weapon in the Assault line and you are better off using an Assault Rifle if you're aiming for shield based combat. But that's just a theory... A GAME THEO- no, no, wait Aeon, pretty sure that's copyrighted... Anyway. It's just a theory. Take it or leave it. Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7759	Posted - 2015.01.11 04:48:00 - [2] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Tried to wrap my head around this a while back in this particular thread but it came up as inconclusive. Buuut I didn't give up on this thing. I figured I'd humor the community and take a look at it's damage profile from an unbiased viewpoint. Sure, ASCR has a lot going for it, but let's just say there might be some weight to the Damage Profile theory as to why it just sucks (albeit, it doesn't explain it quite as well as the numbers below). So here's some math. Lot of you will immediately notice that the damage profile looks a little strange. The ASCR does +20/-20 but in this instance it's doing +35/-20. This is due to the assumption of Proficiency 5 in the weapon across all weapons to provide a better control against our target. It allows us to consider how each weapon performs at it's maximum potential, free of skill level intervention. Being as all (Weapon) Proficiency applies a 15% bonus to whatever the weapon is racially designed against, they affect the damage profiles in dynamic ways. And it's because of this that the Damage Per Second and Time to Kill are dramatically skewed against the ASCR. Thing is, the Damage Profile is just the tip of the iceberg with this thing. Assuming a perfect target of 1000 Shields and 1000 Armor, you can start to see how the weapons begin to fall apart in the scope of DPS within their optimal ranges (assuming 0m). The Assault Rifle does it's job, hammering through with raw power despite it's lower damage to armor. The Combat Rifle does fall short against shields, as expected, and the Rail Rifle does have a notably higher TTK (higher being worse) than the other weapons. Then you look at the ASCR and you understand the problem almost immediately. In terms of TTK, it's functionally the same as an Assault Rifle, but lacks the DPS necessary to powerhouse through armor. It's not so much a factor of Damage Profile as a combination of Damage Profile, Proficiency mechanics, and DPS all tying into one superstorm that weighs heavily against the ASCR. In this case, it is functionally the worst weapon in the Assault line and you are better off using an Assault Rifle if you're aiming for shield based combat. But that's just a theory... A GAME THEO- no, no, wait Aeon, pretty sure that's copyrighted... Anyway. It's just a theory. Take it or leave it. ...huh Well, there you go, I guess. Now that I think about it it makes sense. I mean, I can eat Caldari Assaults with an ASCR, but that's only because they have virtually no armor, and only if they aren't using a Rail Rifle. Sure, but when it comes to actually hitting that armor you'd be better off using an Assault Rifle anyway as you'd be able to kill them faster that way. As it turns out, the DPS of the AR makes up for it's short-comings in the factor of TTK. Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT
Aeon Amadi Chimera Core 7763	Posted - 2015.01.11 10:38:00 - [3] - Quote Probably .ot a good idea to insinuate that its a bullspit rumor when theres a very clear reason: Assault Rifle has the lowest optimal range. Is designed for CQC and thusly has a high DPS output to handle high intensity situations. Its not just a rumor, its the way the weapon was designed. But it doesnt really matter. I can already see the thread is about to derail into a thousand tin foil theories as to why "AR514: The Return" needs to die instead of actually focusing on what the thread is presenting Aeon's Links I don't run MinAssault, I run MAXASSAULT