DUST Search - Amarr Scout - EWar

xAckie wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Sigh.

1) The Gal have a dampening bonus because that is their role, and has been for a very long time.

2) The Cal have a bonus to dampening because they have fewer Low Slots to dampen with. If you required Cal Scouts to have 3 Damps like Min/Amarr to beat Amarr max passive scans, then they couldn't do it because even on proto tier suits, they only have 2 Low Slots.

3) The Amarr gained precision because at the time Amarr did not have any role whatsoever. Cal had both Range and Precision when it came out, which was a double whammy, and causing problems. So Cal got to keep the Range skill (has 4 High Slots at Proto, which it can use for Precision Mods if it wants to get lots of Precision), and the Precision bonus was given to Amarr to give it a role.

4) None of this matters now because of the new EWAR mechanics.

sigh

I have been here since replication. I know the history

this doesnt mean anything. All you are showing is that the numbers and set up are all wrong

If scouts are to have different roles then yes, perhaps a cal scout shouldnt be able to out damp an amarr scout - specially at medium to short range.


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One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7090	Posted - 2015.01.10 20:38:00 - [1] - Quote Sigh. 1) The Gal have a dampening bonus because that is their role, and has been for a very long time. 2) The Cal have a bonus to dampening because they have fewer Low Slots to dampen with. If you required Cal Scouts to have 3 Damps like Min/Amarr to beat Amarr max passive scans, then they couldn't do it because even on proto tier suits, they only have 2 Low Slots. 3) The Amarr gained precision because at the time Amarr did not have any role whatsoever. Cal had both Range and Precision when it came out, which was a double whammy, and causing problems. So Cal got to keep the Range skill (has 4 High Slots at Proto, which it can use for Precision Mods if it wants to get lots of Precision), and the Precision bonus was given to Amarr to give it a role. 4) None of this matters now because of the new EWAR mechanics. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7102	Posted - 2015.01.10 21:45:00 - [2] - Quote xAckie wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Sigh. 1) The Gal have a dampening bonus because that is their role, and has been for a very long time. 2) The Cal have a bonus to dampening because they have fewer Low Slots to dampen with. If you required Cal Scouts to have 3 Damps like Min/Amarr to beat Amarr max passive scans, then they couldn't do it because even on proto tier suits, they only have 2 Low Slots. 3) The Amarr gained precision because at the time Amarr did not have any role whatsoever. Cal had both Range and Precision when it came out, which was a double whammy, and causing problems. So Cal got to keep the Range skill (has 4 High Slots at Proto, which it can use for Precision Mods if it wants to get lots of Precision), and the Precision bonus was given to Amarr to give it a role. 4) None of this matters now because of the new EWAR mechanics. sigh I have been here since replication. I know the history this doesnt mean anything. All you are showing is that the numbers and set up are all wrong If scouts are to have different roles then yes, perhaps a cal scout shouldnt be able to out damp an amarr scout - specially at medium to short range. They can't beat Assaults at short range if the Precision is stacked enough, much less an Amarr Scout. Because of shared passives, and the fact that having someone show up on tacnet is a greater advantage than not showing up on tacnet, it is important scouts are able to dampen enough to beat scans given enough sacrifice. I think dedicating all Low Slots is enough sacrifice for a Cal Scout. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7105	Posted - 2015.01.10 22:24:00 - [3] - Quote xAckie wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I think dedicating all Low Slots is enough sacrifice for a Cal Scout. then amarr has no role. And as to numbers needing to be rejigged (across all suits): if a cal scout sacrifices its 4 high slots (tank) for precision it should be able to scan a 2 damped cal socut. th epoint is none of the numbers are not working to any satisfaction I agree that the Amarr have no role. I would have no problem with Amarr picking up a fully dampened scout IF passive scans were not a thing. The reason the EWAR changes were recently made in the first place is because removal of passive scans is too great a hurdle, so we are stuck with them. I do not like the idea of an Amarr Range and Precision tanking, able to pick up a scout on Medium length scans, all while repping an in-squad heavy so that the heavy doesn't have to sacrifice a damn thing and know exactly where the fully dampened scout is. We do need to find another role for the Amarr, and mucking about with EWAR only creates major problems. I am not for creating anymore FotM scouts. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 7122	Posted - 2015.01.11 02:57:00 - [4] - Quote xAckie wrote: One Eyed King wrote: I do not like the idea of an Amarr Range and Precision tanking, amarr medium range is 22m meters. We arent talking about a cal at 52m Because we aren't talking unbeatable scans. You are talking scans that scouts can't beat at medium ranges, with shared passive scans. Thunderbolt. verb and noun. "James thunderbolted in his pants." "I lit a bag of thunderbolt on fire on CCP's doorway"