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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:00:00 -
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I've got to make this thread again. I don't understand why in this game, pistols in general have to be so miserably weak. It makes me sad, because I love pistols. I look at pistols in other games, and they are often complete alternatives to rifle play, but they just seem to be sub-rifles here.
Just undo the ScP Nerf altogether, and bring the IoP up to that level. The bolt pistol could get buffed back to where it was after the sidearm rebalance as well. The Flaylock... idk. Its too different for me to compare it to the others.
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hold that
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:07:00 -
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you want to BP back to where it was during the sidearm event? thread invalid |
Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:12:00 -
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hold that wrote:you want to BP back to where it was during the sidearm event? thread invalid
If by "back to where it was" , you mean a healthy alternative to cookie cutter rifles... then yes.
I don't see why pistols can be used as primary weapons commonly without people all around the world throwing tantrums. I mean, what is that people have against them, man?!
Why must EVERY FPS be so excruciatingly rifle centric? Is a little bit of diversity such a bad thing that everyone and their grandmas have to use rifles or the world ends?
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Clone D
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:15:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Just undo the ScP Nerf altogether, and bring the IoP up to that level. +1 |
shaman oga
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:15:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:I've got to make this thread again. I don't understand why in this game, pistols in general have to be so miserably weak. It makes me sad, because I love pistols. I look at pistols in other games, and they are often complete alternatives to rifle play, but they just seem to be sub-rifles here.
Just undo the ScP Nerf altogether, and bring the IoP up to that level. The bolt pistol could get buffed back to where it was after the sidearm rebalance as well. The Flaylock... idk. Its too different for me to compare it to the others. Try proficiency.
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Golden Day
Y.A.M.A.H
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:15:00 -
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I only use my SCP when my scr clip ran out ill pull out a Breach scp and finish them
Shields mmmmm.....
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Helghus Resther
Heisen Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:16:00 -
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I know the power of the bolt pistol, ion pistol, and scramber pistol, and I don't see any reason why they'd need to be buffed. I've gone 15/3 using the standard ion pistol, stop complaining about the weapons and learn how to use them.
Even if pistols weren't as good as they are, there's a variety of other weapons you could use. Weapon balancing isn't a problem in DUST right now, but rather the skill tree system, along with lag and some bugs.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:17:00 -
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shaman oga wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:I've got to make this thread again. I don't understand why in this game, pistols in general have to be so miserably weak. It makes me sad, because I love pistols. I look at pistols in other games, and they are often complete alternatives to rifle play, but they just seem to be sub-rifles here.
Just undo the ScP Nerf altogether, and bring the IoP up to that level. The bolt pistol could get buffed back to where it was after the sidearm rebalance as well. The Flaylock... idk. Its too different for me to compare it to the others. Try proficiency. Rifles don't need proficiency to be acceptable primary weapons.
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KING CHECKMATE
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:17:00 -
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BUFF ALL SIDEARMS all together.
I cannot MAin Sidearms anymore and this is sad and limits gameplay options.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:18:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:hold that wrote:you want to BP back to where it was during the sidearm event? thread invalid If by "back to where it was" , you mean a healthy alternative to cookie cutter rifles... then yes. There is where your belief and aim in the game are at odds with the developers as well as most of the other players. Pistols are not meant to be an alternative to your primary weapon but a supplement. SMG to go with your Rail Rifle in case someone gets in your face or a Scrambler Pistol in the event that you run out of ammunition while still in a firefight.
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JIMvc2
The Wanga Empire Strikes Back
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:21:00 -
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The Bolt Pistol is fine and same with Flaylock. I regret spending SP in the Ion Pistol level 3 Everything on Ion Pistol :(
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:24:00 -
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Golden Day wrote:I only use my SCP when my scr clip ran out ill pull out a Breach scp and finish them
Thats what I'd like to see changed. I don't want pistols to just be these backup weapons that Rattati has made them into. Why even have them in the game I they are only something to be pulled out after your rifle has run dry.
And they're not even that, sometimes. Its almost better to just reload the rifle than it is to switch over to a pistol. Its rediculous. In no game that I have ever played, have pistols been so ludicrously weak compared to rifles.
Scrambler Pistols used to be a viable alternative to rifles. They were really really fun weapons. Like insanely fun. Now they're not even worth equipping...
I'm going to be honest. Since 1.8, I've become more and more resentful of Rattati for needing the ScPs. Its almost to the point that I downright dislike him for it. I recognize that the other aspects of the game have made a definite improvement under his supervision, but I can't bring myself to forgive him for destroying my favorite weapon.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:26:00 -
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Joseph Ridgeson wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:hold that wrote:you want to BP back to where it was during the sidearm event? thread invalid If by "back to where it was" , you mean a healthy alternative to cookie cutter rifles... then yes. There is where your belief and aim in the game are at odds with the developers as well as most of the other players. Pistols are not meant to be an alternative to your primary weapon but a supplement. SMG to go with your Rail Rifle in case someone gets in your face or a Scrambler Pistol in the event that you run out of ammunition while still in a firefight. I would say that certain Sidearms can be true alternatives to Light Weapons. The Bolt Pistol is quite deadly especially if you sneak up on someone because it fires off so few shots that it isn't as obvious of "you are getting shot!" before the target is dead. Double Scrambler Pistol isn't too bad, especially if you can get Headshots. The reason that sidearms in games are generally made to be weaker is because of the real life comparison. A primary weapon is going to have more powder and a longer barrel to deliver a more powerful projectile. Again, the sidearm is there as additional ammunition or when the primary weapon is at a disadvantage. It is why game developers have done the same. The shotgun is absolute crap past 5 meters so use a sidearm to get out that farther reach. The Rail Rifle's charge time can kill you in a close fight so use an SMG to go with it.
The game was more fun and had more diversity and more pkaystyles when sidearms weren't just backup weapons.
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PARKOUR PRACTIONER
G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:33:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:hold that wrote:you want to BP back to where it was during the sidearm event? thread invalid If by "back to where it was" , you mean a healthy alternative to cookie cutter rifles... then yes. I don't see why pistols can be used as primary weapons commonly without people all around the world throwing tantrums. I mean, what is that people have against them, man?! Why must EVERY FPS be so excruciatingly rifle centric? Is a little bit of diversity such a bad thing that everyone and their grandmas have to use rifles or the world ends?
QFT! Sidearms FTW!
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Helghus Resther
Heisen Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.09 23:38:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:shaman oga wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:I've got to make this thread again. I don't understand why in this game, pistols in general have to be so miserably weak. It makes me sad, because I love pistols. I look at pistols in other games, and they are often complete alternatives to rifle play, but they just seem to be sub-rifles here.
Just undo the ScP Nerf altogether, and bring the IoP up to that level. The bolt pistol could get buffed back to where it was after the sidearm rebalance as well. The Flaylock... idk. Its too different for me to compare it to the others. Try proficiency. Rifles don't need proficiency to be acceptable primary weapons.
He was talking about adding proficiency to his pistols, in response to the OP calling pistols weak.
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.10 00:05:00 -
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Helghus Resther wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:shaman oga wrote:Fizzer XCIV wrote:I've got to make this thread again. I don't understand why in this game, pistols in general have to be so miserably weak. It makes me sad, because I love pistols. I look at pistols in other games, and they are often complete alternatives to rifle play, but they just seem to be sub-rifles here.
Just undo the ScP Nerf altogether, and bring the IoP up to that level. The bolt pistol could get buffed back to where it was after the sidearm rebalance as well. The Flaylock... idk. Its too different for me to compare it to the others. Try proficiency. Rifles don't need proficiency to be acceptable primary weapons. He was talking about adding proficiency to his pistols, in response to the OP calling pistols weak. :/
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Vitantur Nothus
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2015.01.10 00:06:00 -
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The Bolt Pistol is in good shape right now. It doesn't need to be buffed. |
Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2015.01.10 00:14:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote: The game was more fun and had more diversity and more pkaystyles when sidearms weren't just backup weapons. You can still play that way. Bolt Pistol + SMG is pretty scary still. Double Pistols can still be quite terrifying. I ran a Caldari Scout before the change to Range from Precision that was all damped out and had a full array of Precision Enhancers with two Bolt Pistols. It wasn't a gimmick as the Bolt's let me shoot from farther away while doing lots of damage. Was fun.
When I am using my Scout, I use an Assault Rail Rifle and a Bolt Pistol. If I sneak up behind people, I use my Bolt Pistol as it has about the same TTK but it doesn't shoot that many rounds meaning it is less likely to get other people to hear it as well. If I can line up a Headshot, the Bolt Pistol can still one shot non-tanked medium suits at least in my experience with an Advanced Bolt Pistol. CEO Pyrex has run Double Flaylock for a while. Really, the only bad sidearm in the game is the Ion Pistol because of the craptastic range. Many fall into a range of "what am I supposed to do with it?" like the Magsec and to a lesser degree the Flaylock but you can still use them as a primary source of damage.
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Union118
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.10 01:15:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:I've got to make this thread again. I don't understand why in this game, pistols in general have to be so miserably weak. It makes me sad, because I love pistols. I look at pistols in other games, and they are often complete alternatives to rifle play, but they just seem to be sub-rifles here.
Just undo the ScP Nerf altogether, and bring the IoP up to that level. The bolt pistol could get buffed back to where it was after the sidearm rebalance as well. The Flaylock... idk. Its too different for me to compare it to the others. Try the bolt pistols then lets make all pistols do same amount of dmg. Smg should also do more dmg.
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Zindorak
Nyain Chan General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.10 01:57:00 -
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I agree woth the OP Scp needs to go back to 1.7
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