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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.01.08 13:35:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Infiltration: Profile dampen scout to 14 db. Carry an R-9 uplink. Go to an enemy objective. Drop two uplinks at separate locations on the outskirts. Move in and hack everything. Set 3 REs on/around the objective. (Current total BW 17) Is the RE completely necessary for this playstyle? The uplinks allow your team to begin deploying in your location. Other mercs can deploy REs if they are really necessary. Just tell your squa-nevermind this is a Clone D thread.
Clone D wrote:Shotgun hunter: Scouts make great shotgun hunters due to their speed and ewar capabilities. Carry a triage hive and an ammo hive. If I were running low on HP and ammo, in a crunch, I could drop both hives, rep and restock and quickly get back into action. (Current total BW 8) Just use an advanced or prototype scout dropsuit... not seeing a problem here.
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Posted - 2015.01.08 13:42:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Obviously, I can figure out the work around. What I am interested in is why we wanted these play styles to stop. Well, the dual nanohive scenario you provided is still possible, so I'm not going to address it. That playstyle hasn't stopped, it just requires more ISK investment.
The uplink scenario was probably shot in the head in an effort to reduce uplink spam and give logis a bigger piece of a piece of the uplink "pie". By the way, you can still drop an uplink, you just can't drop them both, with an advanced or prototype dropsuit... the uplink scenario isn't completely dead either.
It seems like your problems could be solved by simply running higher tiered fittings. Will you only ever run standard/militia? I understand it's more ISK efficient, but simply stepping up to advanced opens up many, many possibilities.
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Posted - 2015.01.08 13:54:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Okay
Uplink spam: is the ability to deploy 2 uplinks and 3 REs really spam? Give me a number. What is spam? Spam is what happens when every merc on the battlefield can deploy 2+ uplinks quite easily and with little ISK investment involved. 2 uplinks and 3 REs is not spam. ((2 Uplinks)(3 REs)16) now that is spam.
Clone D wrote:Logis piece of pie: Can logis deploy uplinks elsewhere? Obviously, they weren't on location where the scout was, or the scout wouldn't need to deploy uplinks. I don't see scouts having a monopoly on uplinks if they deploy two and some REs. See my answer above. The problem is the ease of accessibility; any standard scout or militia light dropsuit could do similar to what you are describing and that is what lead to the excess of uplinks.
Can logis deploy uplinks elsewhere? Yes, but why would anyone use them if a cheap scout suit can do it significantly better.
CPM and CCP has confirmed that bandwidth is here to stay, no matter how many stealth bandwidth whine threads get opened. Maybe you are striking up these threads in the spirit of constructive criticism, but they are coming across as desperate.
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Ripley Riley
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Posted - 2015.01.08 14:09:00 -
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Clone D wrote:You could use the same argument now. If everyone spawned in as a STD Amarr Logi with 5 uplinks, then you would have 5 Uplinks X 16 = 80 uplinks which is spam. That is at a relatively low cost to the players ~15k-20k ISK. Then everyone would be in a non-slayer dropsuit and the team would be at a severe disadvantage. Sure, they would have dozens of uplinks, but in a fire fight they would get put down.
In my scenario, with the standard scouts, they would still remain competitive in terms of slaying while simultaneously deploying dozens of uplinks and REs. That would mean the scout is not assisting a logi in deploying uplinks, he is replacing him AND then going on to do a damn decent job of killing people too.
... do you seriously not see a problem with that?
Clone D wrote:There must be a transitional period to allow the meta to adjust. As stated by logis themselves, there aren't enough logis, so let's loosen up the bandwidth constraints until there are enough logis.
Killing healthy play styles: There is no reason to kill healthy play styles. You are right. The standard-scout-dropsuit-slays-and-deploys-advanced-equipment playstyle isn't healthy. That's why it was killed.
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Posted - 2015.01.08 14:27:00 -
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Clone D wrote:1. Saying "16 scouts deploying 2 uplinks and 3 REs is spam" is an extreme because it does not apply to the current meta. That is an extreme example, but it demonstrates what is possible using the scenario you put forward.
Clone D wrote:2. The current meta has not adjusted to bandwidth yet, and therefore is in a transitional period. Bandwidth has been out for over a month, and Rattati gathered feedback (and thus gave us warning) about bandwidth since 11/18/14. The meta has settled. You are the one having problems transitioning.
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Posted - 2015.01.08 15:14:00 -
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I will leave you with this...
Bandwidth, in its current state, is working as intended. That might mean some of your previous playstyles won't function as well as they used to in terms of ISK efficiency and WP/death. This was almost assuredly done on purpose, as the previous bandwidth-less Dust Uprising was not healthy and allowed other roles to eclipse the logi, at least in terms of deployable equipment.
So many of your issues can be traced back to either using lower tiered fittings or running solo...
Lower tiered fittings are meant to have fewer resources; less CPU, PG, slots, and yes, bandwidth. This is also was done intentionally. You may have to use advanced or prototype dropsuits to deploy more equipment, just the same as you may have to run advanced or prototype dropsuits to fit more/better modules.
You know why you should run in a squad already. You know why soloing is not a smart decision. I don't have to tell you again.
As someone else said in a previous thread of yours, you are beyond help  You cannot be shown reason. I will let someone else bump your bandwidth threads from now on.
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