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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.08 07:12:00 -
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Lady Hellfirer wrote:It's to easy to kill a person if you spot them cloaked now. It takes to long to pull your gun out to defend you self & it's not fair to anybody that likes to cloak. I think the time needs to be cut in half so you have more time to defend your self. I think I speak for all scouts that like to cloak please change that so CPP.
You don't speak for me. I'm a veteran scout since closed beta who has every racial scout suit and whose primary weapon is a pair of nova knives. I never needed the cloak to kill anyone. I only use the cloak for covert infiltration and escape. I never use it to enhance my killing ability.
The cloak is fair to me where it is. The cloak delay is to ensure that cloaky shotgunners won't continue to abuse the cloak and thus no longer be able to instantly blap someone immediately from decloaking or -- in some cases due to previous bugs -- while still cloaked. Of course, I think the shimmer is somewhat too bright but I can mask that shimmer with the right terrain.
It was never designed to allow a scout to confront someone head on from the front and survive every time like how it once happened with shotgun scouts. It's primarily a flanking tool.
Use the terrain to mask your cloak. The blue shimmer can be hidden well enough if the terrain doesn't contrast against the shimmer while moving. Avoid running around shaded areas to minimize being caught. If I have to go through dark areas, I use my suit's sprint speed and/or stamina to get through while bobbing and weaving between objects to maintain cover. A dark proto scout can hide well in the shade compared to a blue cloak shimmer which doesn't hide so well in the shade. Worked for me so far.
Decloak behind cover and proceed after checking your corners to attack. Make sure to decloak far enough so they don't hear you decloak. That decloak sound is loud you know. Besides, by the time you get to them the decloak delay will be done and you'll be ready to kill by the time you get to your target. Worked for me so far.
Protip (not really related to cloak). The natural terrain seems to have some kind of effect on the TACNET. You can see a redberry through structures in the TACNET, but for some reason you can't see them through a boulder. Use that to help mask your profile while getting close to them. Remember, if you can't see them because of a rock, they can't see you either. The terrain is great for luring in redberries so that their scan precision will be at a disadvantage against the terrain. Makes it easier to flank and jump them. Worked for me so far.
One more thing. If you get caught while cloaked, use cover and speed to escape. If you don't survive, oh well. That person happens to have good eyes. You can't do anything about it.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.08 07:17:00 -
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Lady Hellfirer wrote:The Infected One wrote:Lady Hellfirer wrote:It's to easy to kill a person if you spot them cloaked now. It takes to long to pull your gun out to defend you self & it's not fair to anybody that likes to cloak. I think the time needs to be cut in half so you have more time to defend your self. I think I speak for all scouts that like to cloak please change that so CPP. Minja here. You do not speak for all scouts. I love the cloak, I use it as it is intended. For crossing open areas, and sneaking through the Caldari large socket maze, and whatnot. I still manage to do my job effectively. Learn to use it as its intended, and not as a straight up combat cloak. We already suffered with the super short cloak delay with the shotty/cloak insta gank. Its working as intended. I can use the cloak ho I like so plus I'm good with it but the delay is not good k.
That's your opinion and only your opinion. In my humble opinion, it's good.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.08 07:20:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:We just got out of the cloak dependent scout crap. We're not going back.
Exactly. I hate it when I see scouts be too dependent on the cloak thinking it can enhance their killing potential when in fact it's mainly a flanking tool for infiltration and escape.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.08 07:22:00 -
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Alex-ZX wrote:Lady Hellfirer wrote:It's to easy to kill a person if you spot them cloaked now. It takes to long to pull your gun out to defend you self & it's not fair to anybody that likes to cloak. I think the time needs to be cut in half so you have more time to defend your self. I think I speak for all scouts that like to cloak please change that so CPP. It is way better if you just forget the cloack, it is completely useless in combat now, I redesigned all my scout fittings removing it because I kill with scouts in time to time, and believe me, using the cloack to even hide, sux. If u have an excellent eye is really easy to kill cloaked scouts... So just forget the cloack, it is useless. In my opinion.
Not entirely true. It can help you hide and it's effective at that as long as you know how to use it. Smark cloakers survive better than dumb ones.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.01.11 00:15:00 -
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Lady Hellfirer wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:We just got out of the cloak dependent scout crap. We're not going back. Exactly. I hate it when I see scouts be too dependent on the cloak thinking it can enhance their killing potential when in fact it's mainly a flanking tool for infiltration and escape. I hate when people talked about Scouts & don't know how too scout & just because I said what I said don't mean I depend on the cloak. 
If you don't depend on the cloak, then don't ask for buffs that make it too dependable. It's strictly an infiltration/escape tool. Nothing more.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:25:00 -
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Lady Hellfirer wrote:killian178 wrote:No, you do not speak for all scouts..... Only the real scouts
You don't speak for me either.
You can keep on asking CCP to buff it but they will never bring it back to the OPness it was. Get use to the cloak delay.
Also, start learning to use the terrain. Passive scans can't see through rocks despite being able to see through structures. So use that to your advantages. The terrain can also help provide cover from bullets so there is that to consider.
I usually stick to the perimeter where stragglers are known to roam around in so I can catch them by surprise without the cloak. The only time I ever use the cloak is when I have to move through wide open spaces that don't have cover and I have no other route to go through.
Real scouts don't need the cloak to kill anyone.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:26:00 -
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Real scouts don't need the cloak to kill anyone.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:27:00 -
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Real scouts don't need the cloak to kill anyone.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:29:00 -
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Real scouts don't need the cloak to kill anyone.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.06.28 21:30:00 -
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Come on, everyone. Repeat after me.
Real scouts don't need the cloak to kill anyone.
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Maken Tosch
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Posted - 2015.07.09 03:22:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:Story time
Today I was hacking a CRU. Heard the de-cloak shimmer right behind me. I turn around see a Serpent scout fraud who is unable to pull out his gun. I empty my ARR I to his face.
Moral of the story: Lolnoob
He should have decloaked from a distance to mask the decloak sound. The fact that you mention that he was unable to pull out his weapon in time clearly tells me he was chasing you and never spawned at the CRU you were hacking. If he did spawn at the CRU he would have been able to fire right away from the temporary spawn cloak.
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