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TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.01.07 23:03:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Logis pushed for sole propriety over equipment. They got it, and now what?
There are many more matches without any uplinks on the field whatsoever.
Proximity explosives are a thing of the past because logis have better things to do?
Logis are doing the one thing that they know how to do. Latch onto a heavy and hold R1 for the remainder of the match.
Do your jobs logis. If you see a battlefield with all red letters and no friendly uplinks, then you didn't do your job. Learn how to prevent that.
Don't make me stop assaulting and capturing objectives, because you don't know how to do your job, so that I can do it for you.
[EDIT] Key concept "margin of supporting contribution" found on page 4. As I sit in the redline in a lawn chair with a cooler of beer I find that offensive!! But no seriously find your squad a dedicated logi guy. Some people like the scout, others do the slayer role. Besides your thoughts about logis doing they're job I've read forum postings of people wining that logis should kill more while repping, dropping uplinks and using nanite injectors. I'm like really!? Besides not being built for slaying the only suit to literally carry all the equipment you would want is proto. I've got two advanced fittings of which one has a drop uplink and another has a nanohive.
As far as a battlefield with all red letters do you wish for one player to teleport across that battlefield to place uplinks? Maybe you should do your job and push forward so the logis can and in doing so place closer uplinks? |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.01.08 00:31:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Ripley Riley wrote:Clone D wrote:If you don't want to be considered affiliated with certain political regimes, then lead the conversation with tolerance, inclusion and understanding of cultural differences. I would like to see you behave in this way so we can hold more mature conversations in the future. I'm not against your solo playstyle, Clone. Really. It's just not the playstyle that suits this game very well. You must realize this by now. Most of the complaints you have had all stem from running solo. Why do you think that is? It's because this game isn't suited for solo play. It's a massive multiplayer online game that features things like squads and corporations; ways for players to come together, not stay apart. I'll draw your attention back to my Eve Online statement: you CAN solo in Eve Online, it's just boring and you hamstring yourself. The same logic holds true in Dust 514. I didn't design the game this way. CCP did. They knew what they were doing. Players who group together continue to play a game much longer than players who run by themselves. Yes, while I acknowledge your perspective, the game works just fine for me as a solo player. The core of this conversation is this: Other roles are helping logis do support. Logis are saying that assaults can/should equip an uplink, scouts can/should equip PEs, etc. Clearly if I play as a scout, assault or what have you, and I trade off the equipment I need to perform my role more effectively in favor of an uplink or PEs because I know that logis need help with support, then this shows a break down in the degree to which bandwidth has been implemented (only if it is expected that other roles support logis). If that is the case, then we need bandwidth to reflect that expectation. If it is not the case and everyone should only do one role, then we need logis to do their jobs better and ensure that the equipment distribution appropriately reflects the context of that match. That responsibility is somewhat larger than a single squad. It is a team level need. Under your logic a logi should not have a gun because they are support. I as a logi usually stick with my squad because I am moire effective and I cannot support an entire team on one map and give everyone what they want. If I ran solo in ambush just playing a few quick games I'll support whomever I am around.
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TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.01.08 00:34:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Clone D wrote:
If I run assault, I want some REs or a nanohive. I don't want to have to carry around an uplink, although for those who do I'm glad that it fits into their equipment slot. Amarr logi is specifically designed to disburse uplinks. I don't want to have to be a redundancy of their role and do it less effectively because an assault doesn't have uplink bonuses, and because I need a different piece of equipment to do my job well.
i always run with links but not all suits have 4 slots and they dont always carry multiple uplinks. they have to compromise somewhere just like you have to compromise by not running in a squad with logistics support. its all compromise and spreading the gear out between you. you entire argument could be boiled down to logistics are not doing their job because they are not repairing everyone on the team, they are not doing their job because they are not picking up every downed clone, they are not doing their job because they are not supplying ammo to every player, they are not doing their job because every objective is not covered in re and every vehicle is not destroyed by proximity mines, they are not doing their job because every enemy has not been scanned and your argument is they are not doing their job because they are not deploying load of uplinks. if there is an uplink logi on your team then there is no issue. if there is no uplink logi on your team then you have no logi. you need to sort it out yourself not blame a logi that isnt even in your team. Thank you. o/ |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.01.08 00:49:00 -
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Clone D wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:Clone D wrote:
If I run assault, I want some REs or a nanohive. I don't want to have to carry around an uplink, although for those who do I'm glad that it fits into their equipment slot. Amarr logi is specifically designed to disburse uplinks. I don't want to have to be a redundancy of their role and do it less effectively because an assault doesn't have uplink bonuses, and because I need a different piece of equipment to do my job well.
i always run with links but not all suits have 4 slots and they dont always carry multiple uplinks. they have to compromise somewhere just like you have to compromise by not running in a squad with logistics support. its all compromise and spreading the gear out between you. you entire argument could be boiled down to logistics are not doing their job because they are not repairing everyone on the team, they are not doing their job because they are not picking up every downed clone, they are not doing their job because they are not supplying ammo to every player, they are not doing their job because every objective is not covered in re and every vehicle is not destroyed by proximity mines, they are not doing their job because every enemy has not been scanned and your argument is they are not doing their job because they are not deploying load of uplinks. if there is an uplink logi on your team then there is no issue. if there is no uplink logi on your team then you have no logi. you need to sort it out yourself not blame a logi that isnt even in your team. All of the above. I used to be able to handle all of that myself, but now logis want me to rely on them. They're not doing it, so I'm saying that they're not doing their jobs. If logis were performing all of the tasks that you described, I would be so happy. Oh my god this thread is useless! Look, many people like to squad up, some like the solo gig. Play the game how you want. If you squad with people you can usually find a dedicated person to drop links and a group of people willing to fulfill certain roles.
As far as the argument about logis feeling only they should carry equipment, who said this and when? As I recall some felt the bandwidth limitations would A. Reduce drop uplinks and nano hive spam and B. Reduce lag. Now these changes certainly put the focus on logis to step up to a need in the battlefield and reward people who played the role well rather than allowing people to play 2 roles by busting out a logi suit, drop equipment and running to the supply deposit too switch to a slayer suit.
If you want people to support you, squad up so people can help you. Blueberries without coms are not psychic and cannot hear or predict what you will need. Even if a solo player such as a logi isn't with a squad they will probably push forward with the team. Who babysits a drop uplink?? |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.01.08 02:02:00 -
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el OPERATOR wrote:TIGER SHARK1501 wrote:
Who babysits a drop uplink??
SpawnCampers. I was referring to the idea of anyone babysitting their own. |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.01.08 23:51:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Jay Westen wrote:Hate to say it clone d, but after your previous rant about logistics getting to many warpoints and it being a simpletons class. I outright refuse to support you. That is fine. I don't need your support. But the team does. Don't neglect everyone else please. Keep your lack of support between us. Thanks. Ah ha ha! Says the lone wolf, won't squad with anyone player. |
TIGER SHARK1501
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Posted - 2015.01.09 00:04:00 -
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Clone D wrote:Jay Westen wrote:Hate to say it clone d, but after your previous rant about logistics getting to many warpoints and it being a simpletons class. I outright refuse to support you. That is fine. I don't need your support. But the team does. Don't neglect everyone else please. Keep your lack of support between us. Thanks. Clearly you do because your inferring that if the team fails you fail. Step up to the plate or quit wining about the lack of dedicated logis. Your logic is so flawed. |
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