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Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2110	Posted - 2015.01.06 22:50:00 - [1] - Quote I am constantly seeing players strafe faster than I can walk sideways and changing direction on a dime, literally going straight left and straight right, without any slowdown whatsoever. And it's not any particular suit either, I just saw a Caldari quafe suit doing it. Strafing straight left and straight right. Not doing circles, not slowing down a hair, walking faster sideways in a Caldari heavy than I can in my Minmatar assault (just in case you have any questions about what I run and my strafe speed). And as we've all been told innumerable times kb/m is balanced, so that couldn't possibly be the cause. So CCP Ratatti, CCP Logibro, CCP Frame, whoever may or may not be listening out there, I have played this game since Replication and this has been a thing the entire time. It's more prominent now and has gotten to the point that I'm actually calling you out on it finally. This is not simply people really good at strafing. This is something beyond simple stick twirling. Track this behavior and tell me how and why this is happening and what you plan to do to fix it. This is game breaking and is not conducive to an even playing environment and the issue is apparently spreading as I see it more often every day. Side note: Is it possible to brick a heavy Caldari Quafe suit to survive a direct hit from a KLA-90? Because this heavy also survived one of those, though with just a scrap of amor left. I know it was a KLA-90 because I was the one firing it, he was about 5 meters away and was standing still. I don't know the eHP of Caldari heavies with maxed stats as I've never run one so figured I'd crowdsource an answer. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3614	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:23:00 - [2] - Quote Haxers! Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6921	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:25:00 - [3] - Quote Keyboard and Mouse Spam ADADADAD. Win. Playing as : Calscout + Amarr Assault
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2110	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:31:00 - [4] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Keyboard and Mouse Spam ADADADAD. Win. No, you see, kb/m users and CCP both say kb/m is balanced. This is not balanced. So obviously there is a different explanation... CCP, I am waiting. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 6923	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:45:00 - [5] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Keyboard and Mouse Spam ADADADAD. Win. No, you see, kb/m users and CCP both say kb/m is balanced. This is not balanced. So obviously there is a different explanation... CCP, I am waiting. I tested My best friends K&M yesterday while running my cal/min suits. I was untouchable. Ask KilledbyHMG, he sure raged... Playing as : Calscout + Amarr Assault
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3584	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:55:00 - [6] - Quote From my understanding KBM's use an emulated input so that using them creates acceleration and deceleration, so it SHOULDN'T be that, though I would love someone to test that for me. However, it's possible that if you falsify a keyboard as a controller you can maintain the digital input. It's this digital input that is what causes super strafing, when there is no inertia between maximum left and maximum right velocity. It needs testing, but you can usually tell when it happens because it looks unnaturally fast. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2114	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:59:00 - [7] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Keyboard and Mouse Spam ADADADAD. Win. No, you see, kb/m users and CCP both say kb/m is balanced. This is not balanced. So obviously there is a different explanation... CCP, I am waiting. I tested My best friends K&M yesterday while running my cal/min suits. I was untouchable. Ask KilledbyHMG, he sure raged... I may have been a bit too obscure with my sarcasm.... apologies. Just trying to force CCP to look at it as a real issue to look into. This is as gamebreaking as turbo controller spam, moreso depending on the skill of the player. There's tactics to deal with it, but when a full squad on the other team is doing it you might as well wait in the MCC for the match to end. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
JUDASisMYhomeboy xCosmic Voidx 243	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:00:00 - [8] - Quote You're just going to get alot of speculation but no definitve answer on this subject. My guess is its some sort of exploit since the neckbeards spend the nights lying awake at night trying to come up with new ways to break the game. Inevitably it will come down to a nerf instead of fixing the real problem and everyone will suffer. I really do believe that fixing hit detection and lag would go a long way. A scout passing through a bulletstream should at least take a little damage "In a world gone mad,only a lunatic is truly insane" Homer J Simpson
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4197	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:05:00 - [9] - Quote You guys are so funny, the answer is so obvious yet none of you know it =ƒÿª Idk bout kbm but it's really easy with a controller. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 5047	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:08:00 - [10] - Quote There is a reason why approximately -1% of PC FPS players use controllers. I had to lol every time someone tried to tell me I could use one and still play legion.... (The godfather of tactical logistics)

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2114	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:09:00 - [11] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: You guys are so funny, the answer is so obvious yet none of you know it =ƒÿª Idk bout kbm but it's really easy with a controller. Woe unto those who never bought Zirto's book, eh? Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics 5047	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:10:00 - [12] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: You guys are so funny, the answer is so obvious yet none of you know it =ƒÿª Idk bout kbm but it's really easy with a controller. IDK, the quick jitterbug with the stick has always been a little too effective in this game when combined with the lag/framerate issues but some peope take it to unnatural levels. (The godfather of tactical logistics)
Heimdallr69 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 4198	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:13:00 - [13] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: You guys are so funny, the answer is so obvious yet none of you know it =ƒÿª Idk bout kbm but it's really easy with a controller. Woe unto those who never bought Zitro's book, eh? I cannot allow the troll god's secrets out.. But you may be able to buy one from him =ƒÿê Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2121	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:15:00 - [14] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: You guys are so funny, the answer is so obvious yet none of you know it =ƒÿª Idk bout kbm but it's really easy with a controller. Woe unto those who never bought Zitro's book, eh? I cannot allow the troll god's secrets out.. But you may be able to buy one from him =ƒÿê I love it that there are still people here who still remember the good old days Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 219	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:27:00 - [15] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Keyboard and Mouse Spam ADADADAD. Win. No, you see, kb/m users and CCP both say kb/m is balanced. This is not balanced. So obviously there is a different explanation... CCP, I am waiting. there is a "dead zone" on the controller once it reaches the middle which = no direction input where as the KB/M does not have a "dead zone" just instant direction change its the onlt thing that i can come up with Sir Dukey- If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
SgtMajSquish MLBJ Consolidated Dust 272	Posted - 2015.01.07 00:31:00 - [16] - Quote Strafing has always been a tactic, however the real kicker is when you have latency and strafing on your side. The enemy aiming at you with their controller will never hit because the aim assist will be behind. This is why I continue to tell CCP that ping based matchmaking needs to happen. Not this stupid region server thing that has been abused since day one Rise and shine CCP. It's time to implement ping based match making.
Beld Errmon Nyain San 1810	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:45:00 - [17] - Quote oh is the KB/M boogeyman raising its head again? hate to break it to you guys but most of the KB/M players gave up on dust a long time ago, what ever benefits using one had was lost a long time ago, more likely someone has found something to exploit. Retired bittervet.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2840	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:51:00 - [18] - Quote What the OP is seeing has nothing to do with KBM. Said a bit more directly, it happens when I use both input mechanisms. What he's seeing is simply low framerate situations (and/or latency/connection jitter) and how the UT engine handles them....in other words, not well....and CCP will be hamstrung to ever fix it until these low framerate situations are mitigated.
Niuvo Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1423	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:52:00 - [19] - Quote Reduction to strafe speed please. What infantry relies on this to win a firefight? You are supposed to use cover! And be a good shot, minus AA; which needs to be removed.
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1383	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:53:00 - [20] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Side note: Is it possible to brick a heavy Caldari Quafe suit to survive a direct hit from a KLA-90 PLC? Because this heavy also survived one of those, though with just a scrap of amor left. I know it was a KLA-90 because I was the one firing it, he was about 5 meters away and was standing still. I don't know the eHP of Caldari heavies with maxed stats as I've never run one so figured I'd crowdsource an answer. I thought it weird that a Minmatar Heavy took a direct hit from mine too... Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V

Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 261	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:54:00 - [21] - Quote It's lag, or more accurately syncing. Slower connections cause the player to move faster to carch up with your connection. They get an advantage. I see both this and the inverse when others apparently can't keep up with my actual location and I seem to be moving faster than they can move. So I easily strafe then flank while they are firing at my last location. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 2840	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:56:00 - [22] - Quote Niuvo wrote: Reduction to strafe speed please. What infantry relies on this to win a firefight? You are supposed to use cover! And be a good shot, minus AA; which needs to be removed. Strafing has been a feature of every single FPS I've ever played for almost twenty years now. Thankfully so, IMO, otherwise it's "first person to stick their head out of cover dies" --and where's the fun in that?
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 261	Posted - 2015.01.07 01:58:00 - [23] - Quote It's lag, or more accurately syncing. Slower connections cause the player to move faster to carch up with your connection. They get an advantage. I see both this and the inverse when others apparently can't keep up with my actual location and I seem to be moving faster than they can move. So I easily strafe then flank while they are firing at my last location. To test this get in a basic tanked gal or ammar commando suit. Step out from behind cover for one second when you know their are reds going to fire on you. Watch the delay between when you step out, then back behind cover and the bullet animation, sound effects and damage registration. You'll notice the lag abusers won't seem to fire at you at all for that one second and then it will seem like they are shooting through the cover after you've moved back. I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 184	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:10:00 - [24] - Quote Damn Nyan San, you see what you tought everybody? lol. Also try lightening your armor.
PLAYSTTION Corrosive Synergy 440	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:30:00 - [25] - Quote yea strafing is an issue they are working on, but that PLC shot, A basic caldari heavy with proto modules should be insta killed by a PLC because its shield suit is should have been melted by that plasma. I have noticed PLC splash damage to be off, I was asked by someone about it and he said he was noticing it. Its probably part of that glitch thing affecting all PLC damage. Gassault Calogi - Ranked #763 on the forums `- Open Beta Vet - 34mil sp - - GFC, GJR Approved -`
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 323	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:49:00 - [26] - Quote To those talking about a Sentinel surviving a PLC: Keep in mind both the Caldari and Minmatar Sentinel receive a resistance to plasma weapons. If maxed: -The Caldari has a 15% resistance for shields -The Minmatar has a 10% resistance for armor [38.4m SP - Next skill: Active Scanner Operation 4] Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2124	Posted - 2015.01.07 02:56:00 - [27] - Quote To those of you who point to lag, a question: I play Dust with my girlfriend in Finland for about 1-5 hours every day pretty much. Usually when I experience lag she doesn't, barring 'team-wide lag' where you get to fumble around and watch as you and your teammates try to reorient yourselves after your games basically paused for a few seconds while the other team was still moving and shooting; and the curious and annoying 'match-wide lag' that looks like teamwide lag, but when it catches up you expect to have to compensate for movement or relocate your target and both teams just look around confused for a moment not certain what the hell just happened..... anyway, I have terrible internet and she has crazy good internet, well over 20Mb, so when I lag I know it's my internet based on what she sees. I've played Dust with her for well over a year now, she knows her way around Dust better than a good 98% of you, and when she and I both see a squad moving in this manner, and can pretty much identify them as a squad because of the way they move, no one else on their team strafing like them, I find it hard to blame it on lag. However, I have no deep knowledge of how such things function let alone how they screw up. I just know that CCP needs to look into it, they need to post their findings, and they need to fix the entire issue in one fell swoop ASAP. Prompt customer service for an issue they've barely touched at all over the last year unless the whole server went to **. That's not asking too much, right? = P If it's kb/m, pull the cord on it until it's fixed. If CCP could prevent all turbo controllers they would, why do we allow the kb/m then when it's twice as bad? A turbo controller with aim assist on vs a semi-experienced kb/m user, the kb/m user wins every time unless teamwork interferes or dumb luck comes your way. More bullets fired doesn't mean when they can't hit the target. I've heard kb/m users whine for a while now how bad the control is, rebalance that ** and put it out. If it's not kb/m, write in detail what it is and how it's being addressed. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
thehellisgoingon The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 116	Posted - 2015.01.07 03:02:00 - [28] - Quote Keyboard. Left: full speed left Right: full speed right Repeat. Everyone else laggers cheaters hooligans
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2124	Posted - 2015.01.07 03:05:00 - [29] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: To those talking about a Sentinel surviving a PLC: Keep in mind both the Caldari and Minmatar Sentinel receive a resistance to plasma weapons. If maxed: -The Caldari has a 15% resistance for shields -The Minmatar has a 10% resistance for armor How much health, in total, with full skills, can you fit on a BPO Quafe Caldari heavy though? That's the question. 15% of how many shields? That's dropped to 5% by plasma's +10% to shields, so 5% of how many shields? And how much armor? (Please note that I am being generous and assuming this person has maxed out core skills, also please note that he was equipped with an MH-82, a basic ion pistol and flux grenades [assume basic] for reference on PG/CPU) Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2124	Posted - 2015.01.07 03:06:00 - [30] - Quote 7th Son 7 wrote: Damn Nyan San, you see what you tought everybody? lol. Also try lightening your armor. ....you didn't look at my fit, did you? Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.



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