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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:01:00 -
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I'm incredibly hesitant towards the role of a pilot suit, as similar to current design, either it says "**** you, you need to dump more sp in this role" or it's functionally useless, which I believe is something that's incredibly wrong with current vehicle design - either you have ALL the sp in vehicles and get to run fits without cpu chips / pg upgrades, or you don't and you have to use cpu chips / pg upgrades.
It becomes a situation where either they function without it, or you *MUST* have one in order to have a reasonable hope at success.
That said there was an idea that I did enjoy for the pilot suit in regards to tanks. wearing a pilot suit allowed the pilot to control the small turret mounted ontop of their large turret - they couldn't be aimed independently, but they would both shoot at the same spot (using the unused L2 trigger for the small turret) - this would have accompanied a redesigned large blaster that functioned more like a PLC turret. With that said though, it's probably a terrible idea and not possible to balance.
Ultimately I want the SP I spend in vehicles to feel meaningful throughout, not simply be a determiner of whether or not I have to fit a pg/cpu module
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.01.07 00:44:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:MINA Longstrike wrote:I'm incredibly hesitant towards the role of a pilot suit, as similar to current design, either it says "**** you, you need to dump more sp in this role" or it's functionally useless, which I believe is something that's incredibly wrong with current vehicle design - either you have ALL the sp in vehicles and get to run fits without cpu chips / pg upgrades, or you don't and you have to use cpu chips / pg upgrades.
It becomes a situation where either they function without it, or you *MUST* have one in order to have a reasonable hope at success.
That said there was an idea that I did enjoy for the pilot suit in regards to tanks. wearing a pilot suit allowed the pilot to control the small turret mounted ontop of their large turret - they couldn't be aimed independently, but they would both shoot at the same spot (using the unused L2 trigger for the small turret) - this would have accompanied a redesigned large blaster that functioned more like a PLC turret. With that said though, it's probably a terrible idea and not possible to balance.
Ultimately I want the SP I spend in vehicles to feel meaningful throughout, not simply be a determiner of whether or not I have to fit a pg/cpu module How do you fit a vehicle up without having a pilot suit on the fitting screen? Terrible idea from a non-pilot, as usual.
1) What the hell are you even talking about in regards to 'having a pilot suit on the screen'
2) I love how you dismiss anyone you don't like / disagree with as a non pilot even when you have absolutely no clue what they're skilled into. As an FYI I've been tanking and flying ever since I started this game (in 1.3), I just rarely do it anymore as I hate what wolfman did to vehicles, I still have considerably more SP invested in vehicles than I do in infantry. So honestly SPKR, go **** yourself, please go back to being terrible at diablo 3 and struggling at torment 2 difficulty (see, this is an actual instance of knowing who someone is and what they do).
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.01.07 01:06:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
Of course, because I won't play along to get along.
No, because you're a judgemental ******* who spouts off without knowing anything about people in question (aka 'you're not a tanker'... to people who either have vehicle alts, or to people who have 2/3rds of their sp into vehicles) and does everything they can to stifle positive discussion. If you stopped having such kneejerk responses and being so belligerent you might find it easier to discuss things with people.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
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Posted - 2015.01.07 01:36:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Okay, you've got me really confused here.
Which side of this argument are you on? Are you just going after the OP for "infantry dictating vehicle design" or are you actually advocating pilot suits?
Basically it boils down to SPKR feels that only he and the circle of people that he personally acknowledges should have any input as to what goes on with vehicles. Doesn't matter how much experience, knowledge or even SP you have into vehicles, unless he's accepted you you're 'not a tanker/pilot'. He's a walking 'no true scotsman fallacy'
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1845
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Posted - 2015.01.07 02:16:00 -
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"THEY'RE NOT VEHICLE USERS UNLESS I SAY THEY'RE VEHICLE USERS!". Are you an aspergers spectrum by chance spkr? because the stomping the feet, screaming, tantrums and stubbornness is the type of behaviour I'd expect from someone with that disorder.
I for one am a vehicle user that *doesn't* want pilot suits because I think they'll be an arbitrary SP sink. In conversations I've had with a CPM member or two (I'll try not to misrepresent the CPM member I talked to here and assert that this is what I as a person got from the conversation), we talked about vehicle sp vs infantry sp, and touched on pilot suits.
To sum it up, my position was largely that every skillpoint spent on infantry skills is inherently more valuable than any skillpoint spent on vehicles as infantry sp carries over to more roles and is applicable more often and in more diverse ways than vehicle sp and that I dislike the large plateaus of skillpoints in vehicles and the feeling that vehicles are a skillpoint 'sink' - a 'supplementary' role rather than a 'primary' role. The response I got from the CPM member was that 'well, we still want any given vehicle role to take as many skillpoints as their 'comparative' infantry counterpart and in that regard vehicles end up being about 3-4m sp less expensive than infantry'.
From the brief conversation that we had, what I got was that pilot suits were basically there just to cost sp so as to make things 'evenly costed'.
Now to address your comments of 'infantry shouldn't have a say', that is outright wrong. Infantry should have a say, otherwise vehicle 'balance' just becomes a joke - an echo room where people want more and better things. Non-pilots have concerns about how vehicles will affect their gameplay every bit as much as we have concerns about how they affect ours and their concerns do have merit. The only people I feel should be dismissed out of hand are people who cannot have a logical discussion based on facts and sound reasoning, not fallacies, ad hominem and appeals to emotion.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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MINA Longstrike
Kirjuun Heiian
1846
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Posted - 2015.01.07 03:03:00 -
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So by your metric then, you're not even a tanker Spkr, you shouldn't have a say - go run around playing your ground game while the big boys talk, If you were a real pilot you'd have more sp in vehicles than in infantry.
Also, I loved the continued foot stamping, and handwaived denials of actual concerns, and assertions without any basis. You're still throwing a tantrum over balance changes that you perceive to have come from a mysterious antagonist you call 'av players'.
There's no point in even talking to you about this or well... anything really, there is no positive discussion to be had with you and your incredible bias and perceived slights. As you have said, why talk to someone who cannot be reasoned with.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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