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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 01:04:00 -
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They do not, at least not in the long run. Why? Because it would ultimately be an SP and ISK sink.
Vehicles would eventually be balanced around pilot suits. This would mean that pilot suits wouldn't be so much an enhancement, but a necessity for vehicle users. You wouldn't wear it to get an edge: you would wear it to just perform at the standard tier.
That's why vehicle users don't really want pilot suits. They will give them nothing.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:20:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:They do not, at least not in the long run. Why? Because it would ultimately be an SP and ISK sink.
Vehicles would eventually be balanced around pilot suits. This would mean that pilot suits wouldn't be so much an enhancement, but a necessity for vehicle users. You wouldn't wear it to get an edge: you would wear it to just perform at the standard tier.
That's why vehicle users don't really want pilot suits. They will give them nothing. LOL This coming from someone with an irrational fear and hatred of vehicles. Eat cow pies and go find another game to ruin.
I don't need to be the immature person ruining the game you want me to be: you are already that person. You are disliked by both AV players, infantry and even the very vehicle users you claim to represent. You have no group of people to turn to outside of the extremist vehicle players who get banned every two weeks and end up returning on their alts until they have no alts left.
I don't dislike vehicles, though I have to play devil's advocate because few people make logical arguments for AV. It's mostly an after thought and so I and a few select others make an effort to create a counter argument. This is healthy commentary that helps filter out extreme positions and helps come to moderate consensual thought among the forum community. Do I pilot vehicles? Not since open Beta. Do I think that they are an important part of the game? Yes. Do I believe that there needs to exist a counterbalance to the very vocal vehicle community? Of course. No other group of people expect the exclusivity that the vehicle users demand of the community.
If you dislike infantry so much why do you still play this game? If you love vehicles so much why don't you go to a vehicle only game? You constantly say that vehicle combat would be better without infantry so why don't you just go to a game that has no infantry. World of Tanks perhaps? What about War Thunder? If you enjoy the EVE universe then just play EVE: Online. I honestly don't understand why you continue to play this game if you never have a redeemable note to note.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:25:00 -
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Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Wrong. We want them for exactly the reason you give. This is another way to have more room for balancing tanks and AV with tanks still having an edge without the either/or all or nothing basis as has been happening.
With pilot suits they would eventually be made into a necessity to operate vehicles properly. They wouldn't give an edge to vehicles; they would be necessary for using vehicles competitively.
If you want this then that is fine, but I feel that it would simply give the community something else to blame and would give no real solution to vehicle balance as it would simply go back to where it started.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:31:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Honestly I see pilot suits being the separator of dabblers and specialists in the vehicle field much like the logistic suits are in the equipment field
Though would you honestly want it available if it meant that you would need to use it for your vehicle to perform to standards it currently does? That's where I see the pilot suit heading.
It will probably be labeled as OP regardless of whether it is or not and then nerfed. Or it will be seen as too weak at its inception and buffed then quickly nerfed. In either case I see vehicles being nerfed to compensate for the suit's bonus to the point where eventually pilot suits become necessary for using vehicles competitively in any capacity.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:40:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:incoherent drooling I'm not the one trying to ruin the game for a small subsection of the community/playerbase. You are. Who the hell are you to say pilots don't want the pilot suit? YOU'RE NOT A PILOT. Who the hell are you to determine what pilots get? Morons like you have been deciding the direction vehicles go in since the game was only accessible on the weekends. What the hell more do you want? If you want vehicles removed, which I'm sure you do but don't have the stones to actually say it, then get a petition together and present it to CCP to be voted on by the community. Go find another game to ruin. YOU'RE the one acting like a child, with all this "my way or the highway" trash. We just want vehicles to be worth the SP again. You don't want them to be worth anything. Go to Call of Duty.
You just gave a tantrum through type and yet you call me childish in my approach.
If you had taken the time to seriously comprehend my response you would note that having balance achieved by either infantry, AV or vehicle users only is an entirely disagreeable stance.
You yourself are hypocritical by stating that only vehicle users can balance vehicles and yet you talk down on me for supposedly, by your word, having a single minded stance.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 02:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Operative 1125 Lokaas wrote:Wrong. We want them for exactly the reason you give. This is another way to have more room for balancing tanks and AV with tanks still having an edge without the either/or all or nothing basis as has been happening. With pilot suits they would eventually be made into a necessity to operate vehicles properly. They wouldn't give an edge to vehicles; they would be necessary for using vehicles competitively. If you want this then that is fine, but I feel that it would simply give the community something else to blame and would give no real solution to vehicle balance as it would simply go back to where it started. Indeed thats the point. A necessity for competitive use. That doesn't prevent casual use especially if any bonuses conveyed are small and utilitarian. But it does proverbially separate the men from the boys.
I just don't want vehicle users to push for pilot suits and expect a large bonus. Many seem to label pilot suits to be a sort of acquirable buff that will be the saving grace of vehicles. I want people to understand that they would change the performance of vehicles minutely and that they shouldn't want them for that reason.
If they are wanted for providing uniformmalty then fine. Though they would only be a physiological and aesthetic change at worst and a slight improvement at worst.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 19:14:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:psychotic ravings from a pilophobe maniac Because all you do is whine, complain, throw things, cry, scream, hit yourself when vehicles kill you. Again, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO DECIDE VEHICLES' FATE?
I'm not trying to be the only one to decide. I'm trying to give input to an important part of the game. No one person should decide any part of this game.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 20:06:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:psychotic ravings from a pilophobe maniac Because all you do is whine, complain, throw things, cry, scream, hit yourself when vehicles kill you. Again, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO DECIDE VEHICLES' FATE? I'm not trying to be the only one to decide. I'm trying to give input to an important part of the game. No one person should decide any part of this game. GFDI SPEAKER SHUT UP! Ive never wanted to grab someone by the shoulders, shake them incomprehensibly and scream " Are you daft man? " as much as i do when i see you post your pedantic mewlings claiming full superiority over someone. You don't want conversation about vehicles, you want reformation that your narrow view of vehicles is best. That kind of siht gives us the balance issues the game has. Froking grow up and behave like a civilized human being, or go find a train track and nap on it. Please.
I never claimed superiority over anyone. Granted I lost my temper and insulted Spkr4theDead, though he did insult me first. I specifically said that I want conversation and have explicitly stated that no one person's view should be imposed rather we should talk about the issues of the game civilly and without passion. Passion clouds the logical mind because it makes us choose impulse and instinct over logic and reason.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:05:00 -
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Mahal Daj wrote:I agree with OP, the ONLY thing that the pilot suit should do... other than suck at combat... is increase the ammo that a vehicle can carry.
Part of the charm of Dust is the ability of any suit to fall from that dropship, take the objective, have your friend snipe an LAV driver, hack it, and drive off into the sunset. Reducing playability does not equal 'content added'
k? thx
-daj
You misunderstand me. I do not want pilot suits to be useless, and would much rather they be effective, though I don't see them as something that would help vehicle users out by just being included in the game.
Maybe after Rattati reveals the new expansion of Dust and he reveals how vehicles have been balanced. Then maybe the pilot suit could be added without throwing the game into chaos. I'm actually interested in the type of attributes the suit would have. I imagine only a sidearm, worse movement than the scout suits, worse HP and no modules.
I would like them to be more than that, but I doubt they will be.
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DeadlyAztec11
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Posted - 2015.01.06 23:10:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Mahal Daj wrote:I agree with OP, the ONLY thing that the pilot suit should do... other than suck at combat... is increase the ammo that a vehicle can carry.
Part of the charm of Dust is the ability of any suit to fall from that dropship, take the objective, have your friend snipe an LAV driver, hack it, and drive off into the sunset. Reducing playability does not equal 'content added'
k? thx
-daj Then what's the point of investing SP? How about the only thing a sentinel suit does is allow you to carry more ammo for a heavy weapon? No bonus to heavy weapon fitting, no resistances to weapons. How does that sound?
If heavies were OP than that would actually be a reasonable solution. Most heavies can repair at a fair rate but end up having to stay close to Supply Depots to maintain their ammo supply. It would help heavies be more independent. The idea would of course be unpopular with people who rely on logis for their upkeep and logis themselves.
Then again heavies are fairly balanced. Some may disagree because they are getting shredded by Proto Heavies with Proto HMG's with their Proto Logis while wearing basic suits, but there isn't much that you can do about that.
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