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Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14862	Posted - 2015.01.05 20:24:00 - [1] - Quote Is it me, or has there been quite the boatload of Pilot complaints lately? The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Sergeant Sazu Nanite Systems 311	Posted - 2015.01.05 20:29:00 - [2] - Quote Hmmm, you're right. Spkr is becoming more vocal along with a bunch of other people I've never seen before. Panda Uzimaki will not be joining us as far as I know, unfortunately. No laughs this time around. [38.2m SP - Next skill: Active Scanner Operation 3] Veteran Assault - Expert Logibro - Aspiring Minja - Scrub Sentinel
LUGMOS Quafe Premium 1368	Posted - 2015.01.05 20:50:00 - [3] - Quote Someone made an experiment that explained this phenomenon... Might have been you. But it basically said that if someone makes a thread saying one thing, a trend may follow where there are multiple threads on the same subject. Official QuafeGäó Advocate Anti-FoTM Prof. V Forum Scavenger Prof. V
Pocket Rocket Girl Psygod9 214	Posted - 2015.01.05 20:58:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: Is it me, or has there been quite the boatload of Pilot complaints lately? No, Atiim its AVers complaining that tanks are OP. Tankers would never complain, its all the AV players that are complaining that tanks are OP Sir Dukey- If one person is smart he should be able to keep vehicle at bay but not destroy it unless its a stupid driver
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution 3601	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:00:00 - [5] - Quote That would imply people still piloted vehicles except but a handful of ADS. Fatal Absolution Director Shield tanking is hard mode /period.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3595	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:09:00 - [6] - Quote Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1470	Posted - 2015.01.05 21:34:00 - [7] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=186852&find=unread Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2355	Posted - 2015.01.05 22:15:00 - [8] - Quote Pilot complaints? They released the pilot suit and I missed it? Well, looks like I gotta grind for my 6th PRO Minmatar suit. Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16428	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:15:00 - [9] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. Yup but you can't hold it against them. Tanks have at two times been ultra scary and AVers are afraid of them. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1900	Posted - 2015.01.05 23:58:00 - [10] - Quote Remove all vehicles. The horror! The horror! ( -íº -£-û -íº)

TEBOW BAGGINS GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING 1516	Posted - 2015.01.06 00:02:00 - [11] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Remove all vehicles. F this crap imma go play war thunder AKA Zirzo Valcyn AFKing since 2012
Bahirae Serugiusu Vendetta Reactionary Force 451	Posted - 2015.01.06 00:03:00 - [12] - Quote Guess they got tired of Destiny or whatever when they ran off in rage from buffing AV so they are mortal. The State will always survive.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6870	Posted - 2015.01.06 00:58:00 - [13] - Quote shaman oga wrote: Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. The thing is that when you leave a bunch of people who all agree in a state of thinking for too long you tend to get radicalism. Radicalism is bad for game balancing. Why? What if all the heavies tomorrow decided that they needed an HMG buff? What if everyone who isn't a heavy decided to not interfere because they are not heavies? You would soon see a lot of threads asking for buffs to the HMG and examples and arguments as to why that is true. You would have few people within the heavy community countering the claim. Plus AV and Vehicles are too sides of the same coin. They must be balanced and it is up to the community as a whole to balance them. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 16430	Posted - 2015.01.06 01:12:00 - [14] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: shaman oga wrote: Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. The thing is that when you leave a bunch of people who all agree in a state of thinking for too long you tend to get radicalism. Radicalism is bad for game balancing. Why? What if all the heavies tomorrow decided that they needed an HMG buff? What if everyone who isn't a heavy decided to not interfere because they are not heavies? You would soon see a lot of threads asking for buffs to the HMG and examples and arguments as to why that is true. You would have few people within the heavy community countering the claim. Plus AV and Vehicles are too sides of the same coin. They must be balanced and it is up to the community as a whole to balance them. Just leave tank balance to Pokey and Thaddeus..... they got it down pat. *"He spoke, and we made it so all worlds were one, all peoples were one, all faiths, creeds, and nationalities were one.
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 242	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:02:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Is it me, or has there been quite the boatload of Pilot complaints lately? Lol, the tank baiter returns. No, it is mostly AVers/TANKOPHOBES all of a sudden bringing up tanks. I must have missed the Rattati post saying, "F*ck AV, we rocking these tanks to the max." I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6872	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:35:00 - [16] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Atiim wrote: Is it me, or has there been quite the boatload of Pilot complaints lately? Lol, the tank baiter returns. No, it is mostly AVers/TANKOPHOBES all of a sudden bringing up tanks. I must have missed the Rattati post saying, "F*ck AV, we rocking these tanks to the max." There is no need to flame others. Just because the moderators are away it does not excuse you from taking up logical stances. Labeling others as irrational only adds to the freezing of commentary and pushes all of us further away from achieving balance. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 2939	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:47:00 - [17] - Quote Personally Before any nerf or buff further of any vehicles or AV.. We should be asking for Racial parity with VEhicles.... We should ask for Minmatar and Amarrian vehicles.... Minmatar tanks With Giant HMG gattling guns on it... Artillery long range weapons... Amarr with just Pulse laser turrets and Beam laser turrets.... Even starting with Minmatar and Amarrian LAV's.... The Minmatar LAV is so sweet.... Balancing LAV's and bringing them more into use... Lets start at LAV's... Tanks and jumping straight to tank vs infantry... Needs to wait... We need to have all the pieces of the game then we can balance... Or we are just wasting time and effort for nothing.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 1719	Posted - 2015.01.06 02:57:00 - [18] - Quote They are just getting ready for calling the new tanks UP.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1442	Posted - 2015.01.06 04:37:00 - [19] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: shaman oga wrote: Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. The thing is that when you leave a bunch of people who all agree in a state of thinking for too long you tend to get radicalism. Radicalism is bad for game balancing. Why? What if all the heavies tomorrow decided that they needed an HMG buff? What if everyone who isn't a heavy decided to not interfere because they are not heavies? You would soon see a lot of threads asking for buffs to the HMG and examples and arguments as to why that is true. You would have few people within the heavy community countering the claim. Plus AV and Vehicles are too sides of the same coin. They must be balanced and it is up to the community as a whole to balance them. No, we don't need each other. AV needs vehicle to have a purpose but vehicle have no need or desire for strong IAV. This is a big part of the problem with tanker complaints. As an AV'er I want there to be vehicles in every match but a tanker would prefer to have no IAV and have only other vehicles as AV. Because, that's why.
Draden Brohiem D3ATH CARD RUST415 35	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:13:00 - [20] - Quote None of the above. Vehicles are in a rough spot, to cost the way they do, and players are voicing their opinions.... which they are still allowed to do right? The same way you guys voice your opinions on weapon changes, and the like. If Spkr4TheDead has something to say who are any of us to try to discredit what he's saying? Last I checked this was a forum. Do we need to open a thread with the definition of forum for you guys?

Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2683	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:57:00 - [21] - Quote Sergeant Sazu wrote: Hmmm, you're right. Spkr is becoming more vocal along with a bunch of other people I've never seen before. Panda Uzimaki will not be joining us as far as I know, unfortunately. No laughs this time around. I've always been vocal. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2683	Posted - 2015.01.06 05:59:00 - [22] - Quote Alaika Arbosa wrote: Pilot complaints? They released the pilot suit and I missed it? Well, looks like I gotta grind for my 6th PRO Minmatar suit. lol you don't use vehicles. You have an irrational fear and hatred of them. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2683	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:01:00 - [23] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: shaman oga wrote: Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. The thing is that when you leave a bunch of people who all agree in a state of thinking for too long you tend to get radicalism. Radicalism is bad for game balancing. Why? What if all the heavies tomorrow decided that they needed an HMG buff? What if everyone who isn't a heavy decided to not interfere because they are not heavies? You would soon see a lot of threads asking for buffs to the HMG and examples and arguments as to why that is true. You would have few people within the heavy community countering the claim. Plus AV and Vehicles are too sides of the same coin. They must be balanced and it is up to the community as a whole to balance them. "Radicalism," from the guy speaking on behalf of all pilots, when he's not a pilot himself, saying there's not a single one of us that wants the pilot suit. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven 442	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:04:00 - [24] - Quote Its good pilots are starting to share their ideas. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2683	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:24:00 - [25] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Atiim wrote: Is it me, or has there been quite the boatload of Pilot complaints lately? Lol, the tank baiter returns. No, it is mostly AVers/TANKOPHOBES all of a sudden bringing up tanks. I must have missed the Rattati post saying, "F*ck AV, we rocking these tanks to the max." There is no need to flame others. Just because the moderators are away it does not excuse you from taking up logical stances. Labeling others as irrational only adds to the freezing of commentary and pushes all of us further away from achieving balance. No, it's people like you pushing us further away from balance, people that irrationally hate and fear vehicles believing with all their heart that they have a say in how vehicles should operate, how they should be fit, how easy they should be taken out, how much HP they should have, how fast they can operate, how much damage they can do, etc. Bugger off already. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2683	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:27:00 - [26] - Quote Draden Brohiem wrote: None of the above. Vehicles are in a rough spot, to cost the way they do, and players are voicing their opinions.... which they are still allowed to do right? The same way you guys voice your opinions on weapon changes, and the like. If Spkr4TheDead has something to say who are any of us to try to discredit what he's saying? Last I checked this was a forum. Do we need to open a thread with the definition of forum for you guys? It's because I refuse to compromise my position on vehicles. I point out often that pilots have told AV infantry how to destroy us, tailored to each individual vehicle. What do they say? No, we want to do it alone. No, we don't want to have to reload. This from people saying that the Packed Lai Dai doing roughly 2000 damage EACH before they were nerfed was balanced. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Spkr4theDead Red Star. 2683	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:28:00 - [27] - Quote Quasar Storm wrote: Its good pilots are starting to share their ideas. Five reply's worth. It took me a while to write all that. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
Quasar Storm 0uter.Heaven 442	Posted - 2015.01.06 06:34:00 - [28] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Quasar Storm wrote: Its good pilots are starting to share their ideas. Five reply's worth. It took me a while to write all that. I know I read it. Good stuff. ADS & Tank pilot. Drifting on *Stormy* Seas. The "Eh" Team
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency 6880	Posted - 2015.01.06 10:43:00 - [29] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: Atiim wrote: Is it me, or has there been quite the boatload of Pilot complaints lately? Lol, the tank baiter returns. No, it is mostly AVers/TANKOPHOBES all of a sudden bringing up tanks. I must have missed the Rattati post saying, "F*ck AV, we rocking these tanks to the max." There is no need to flame others. Just because the moderators are away it does not excuse you from taking up logical stances. Labeling others as irrational only adds to the freezing of commentary and pushes all of us further away from achieving balance. No, it's people like you pushing us further away from balance, people that irrationally hate and fear vehicles believing with all their heart that they have a say in how vehicles should operate, how they should be fit, how easy they should be taken out, how much HP they should have, how fast they can operate, how much damage they can do, etc. Bugger off already. So basically you believe that only pilots should have a say in vehicle operations? Do I really need to remind you as to why that is a terrible idea? I have explained perfectly as to why having people who agree speak in a bubble is terrible. It's the reason we ended up with powerful scouts. Scouts decided what they wanted and submitted it to CCP. Nobody who protested was taken seriously because they were labeled as scout haters. Next thing you know Scouts started running a muck. Rattati then clamped down on them and isn't done yet. He will soon penalize them for movement and practically make it impossible for them to use HP mods effectively. In short he will send them back to the dark ages. Also, I believe vehicles are an important part of the game. Put your flags up in the sky. And wave them side to side. Show the world where you're from. Show the world we are one.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3604	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:17:00 - [30] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: shaman oga wrote: Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. The thing is that when you leave a bunch of people who all agree in a state of thinking for too long you tend to get radicalism. Radicalism is bad for game balancing. Why? What if all the heavies tomorrow decided that they needed an HMG buff? What if everyone who isn't a heavy decided to not interfere because they are not heavies? You would soon see a lot of threads asking for buffs to the HMG and examples and arguments as to why that is true. You would have few people within the heavy community countering the claim. Plus AV and Vehicles are too sides of the same coin. They must be balanced and it is up to the community as a whole to balance them. That's ok, but most of us are just asking to have fun playing the game. My attitude has never been slaying infantry with tanks, i always loved to hunt other vehicles and use tactics like spider tanking. Slaying infantry is too easy, look at duna, he's not bad, he's not supergood, but he's smart (or an ******* depend from POV), he just use teamwork, it can be tank spam or tank crew, but he run full squad and all of them are moving around him. This is the reason of his success, we all have killed him and his tank, but this hasn't stop him to go 30/1 in almost every match i see him in. TANKS ARE CATALYZERS if played in the right manner, i've never seen a tanker playing regardless of infantry and surviving for a whole match, if there is decent AV. Situational awareness also known as passive scan.

Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2108	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:41:00 - [31] - Quote True Adamance wrote: shaman oga wrote: Most are not even about AV vs vehicle, but everytime you talk about tanks, AVers come out and whine. It's coded in their DNA. Yup but you can't hold it against them. Tanks have at two times been ultra scary and AVers are afraid of them. 4 if you count closed beta ^^ Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2108	Posted - 2015.01.06 11:51:00 - [32] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Draden Brohiem wrote: None of the above. Vehicles are in a rough spot, to cost the way they do, and players are voicing their opinions.... which they are still allowed to do right? The same way you guys voice your opinions on weapon changes, and the like. If Spkr4TheDead has something to say who are any of us to try to discredit what he's saying? Last I checked this was a forum. Do we need to open a thread with the definition of forum for you guys? It's because I refuse to compromise my position on vehicles. I point out often that pilots have told AV infantry how to destroy us, tailored to each individual vehicle. What do they say? No, we want to do it alone. No, we don't want to have to reload. This from people saying that the Packed Lai Dai doing roughly 2000 damage EACH before they were nerfed was balanced. And now 2 proto packed Lai Dai's can only kill unfitted militia LAV's, real balanced Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2356	Posted - 2015.01.06 13:36:00 - [33] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Pilot complaints? They released the pilot suit and I missed it? Well, looks like I gotta grind for my 6th PRO Minmatar suit. lol you don't use vehicles. You have an irrational fear and hatred of them. Lol you dont use social skills or actual rational thought. You have an irrational fear and hatred of them. Difference in our statements? Mine is true, yours isn't. Amarr/Minmatar vehicles are OP (especially Minmatar speed tanks) ^The reason why CCP is afraid to release them
Lazer Fo Cused Shining Flame Amarr Empire 357	Posted - 2015.01.06 15:47:00 - [34] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Draden Brohiem wrote: None of the above. Vehicles are in a rough spot, to cost the way they do, and players are voicing their opinions.... which they are still allowed to do right? The same way you guys voice your opinions on weapon changes, and the like. If Spkr4TheDead has something to say who are any of us to try to discredit what he's saying? Last I checked this was a forum. Do we need to open a thread with the definition of forum for you guys? It's because I refuse to compromise my position on vehicles. I point out often that pilots have told AV infantry how to destroy us, tailored to each individual vehicle. What do they say? No, we want to do it alone. No, we don't want to have to reload. This from people saying that the Packed Lai Dai doing roughly 2000 damage EACH before they were nerfed was balanced. And now 2 proto packed Lai Dai's can only kill unfitted militia LAV's, real balanced 1. AV nades are not primary AV
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 1224	Posted - 2015.01.06 16:29:00 - [35] - Quote Nothing Certain wrote: As an AV'er I want there to be vehicles in every match but a tanker would prefer to have no IAV and have only other vehicles as AV. As a pilot, I like fighting AV. Keyword fighting: currently V/AV balance is...sort of there. If there's a Swarmer and I'm in my ADS, I have next to no chance of actually engaging them in a reasonable manner - most of my Swarmer kills are from shooting an infantrymerc that I can actually see who turns out to be a Swarmer. But then, I'm very ADScentric: when I pull out Swarms vs HAVs (primarily the Blasters that trundle about) they seem to be pretty damn accurate to me. Perhaps that's just skilled HAV pilots like Scouts were a long time ago. Anyway, point is that V/AV is close to balance, probably closer than at any other time, but speaking as an ADS pilot I'm pretty much blind when I'm up there making a fight incredibly one-sided unless I have a gunner (which brings us right round into the number of people argument...) Alt of Halla Murr. Sentinel.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1443	Posted - 2015.01.06 20:59:00 - [36] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Draden Brohiem wrote: None of the above. Vehicles are in a rough spot, to cost the way they do, and players are voicing their opinions.... which they are still allowed to do right? The same way you guys voice your opinions on weapon changes, and the like. If Spkr4TheDead has something to say who are any of us to try to discredit what he's saying? Last I checked this was a forum. Do we need to open a thread with the definition of forum for you guys? It's because I refuse to compromise my position on vehicles. I point out often that pilots have told AV infantry how to destroy us, tailored to each individual vehicle. What do they say? No, we want to do it alone. No, we don't want to have to reload. This from people saying that the Packed Lai Dai doing roughly 2000 damage EACH before they were nerfed was balanced. And now 2 proto packed Lai Dai's can only kill unfitted militia LAV's, real balanced That does sound balanced to me. Because, that's why.
Baal Omniscient Qualified Scrub 2114	Posted - 2015.01.06 23:51:00 - [37] - Quote Lazer Fo Cused wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: And now 2 proto packed Lai Dai's can only kill unfitted militia LAV's, real balanced 1. AV nades are not primary AV 2. Numbering single responses doesn't emphasise your point any more than simply saying it. And core locus grenades aren't primary AI weapons, they'll still kill unfitted suits. Nothing Certain wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: And now 2 proto packed Lai Dai's can only kill unfitted militia LAV's, real balanced That does sound balanced to me. I.... I don't even know how to respond to such idiocy. Sorry, I'd like to retort, but.... I'm afraid you may be beyond help. Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0 I GÖú Puppies (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.*pâ+n+ín+ƒ.


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