DUST Search - This is flat out unfair

CELESTA AUNGM wrote:

Mejt0 wrote:

Cuz this game is broken and only good player will profit no matter what.

Losing 200k per fit several times per battle doesn't matter when you can earn what you losed during few other battles.

If you have isks crisis, use std/starter fits.

Umm, well not exactly. Not necessarily. If I am understanding the author correctly, he's fresh on his way to knowing how to manage his finances, and choose the appropriate assets---but the excess of cloak-shotties and mezzanine-snipers are standing in the way of him making any respectable grind progress.
That's an issue (and a potentially severe problem for the new players) that I as a seasoned player hadn't even give
n thought to.

Straight

It's not a broken design, if the game rewards a player with profit in any situation, once she's become good (meaning she's finally learned how to truly master her gear/ISK/tactics in any battle/crisis. (Incidentally, letting yourself get pushed into wearing a "hobo" starter suit 95% of the time to live on table-scraps,... isn't playing Dust "good" to me, it's playing it 'timidly' Oops

).

Nonetheless,.. yes Cry

, even if he uses the right economic fits/suits and tactics, if any of the gameplay excesses stop him from even reaching 1st-base in his character progress, that IS an unfair obstacle in the game.

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recounted duna corp 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:48:00 - [1] - Quote Im basically broke after every match due to me fighting close up shottys knifers and those ******* redliners who snipes you from god knows where also the heavy(s) who ganks on your ass if your attention span is off. Back to the end match with my KD being a, good average .5 (2/12)or below if im more unlucky then ever. What am I doing wrong here? Im have an account of 100,000 to 200,000 isj but then poof I have to spend them for my stockings so I wont have dead beat armor worse than I have to manage every time can I get tips on what im doing wrong?
Alena Ventrallis Vengeance Unbound 2411	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:49:00 - [2] - Quote Check your corporation tax. Do not go gentle into that good night; Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
recounted duna corp 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:50:00 - [3] - Quote and those loot boxes, pfft pretty much dusty gifts that will most likely never to be opened since I have a very rare chance to find them on the battlefield but I can find plenty of boxes just blinking
7th Son 7 Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 94	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:55:00 - [4] - Quote KEEP MOVING and stay buy your guys, and of course practice practice practice
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 407	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:57:00 - [5] - Quote recounted wrote: Im basically broke after every match due to me fighting close up shottys knifers and those ******* redliners who snipes you from god knows where also the heavy(s) who ganks on your ass if your attention span is off. Back to the end match with my KD being a, good average .5 (2/12)or below if im more unlucky then ever. What am I doing wrong here? Im have an account of 100,000 to 200,000 isj but then poof I have to spend them for my stockings so I wont have dead beat armor worse than I have to manage every time can I get tips on what im doing wrong? stop running your most expensive gear/vehicles im 2 years into the game and i still use my SEVER and Dragonfly Assault to isk farm and kill, the SEVER suit can earn you 300-400k a game and the fully fitting suit is under 8k, only die a couple times so i still make at least 90% profit, same thing with the assault suit just less income per battle. and today I just bought the merc pack since i realised it comes with the dragonfly scout and toxin smg. proto gear will set you negative every match just from dying once
Lady MDK Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 237	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:59:00 - [6] - Quote I die like mad and am still making a profit. Before the apex suits i used to run starter fits and get assists, then moved on to dropping uplinks for points and hacking... Like the guy above said check corp tax, if duna corp is taking a big wedge you will find it hard to make cash. Anyone getting annoyed by reading of the above post should consider the following. I don't care so neither should you :)
Acturus Galaxy Tank Crew Omega 349	Posted - 2015.01.03 09:59:00 - [7] - Quote Yep, first action is to check your corp tax, I have previously been member of duna for one day. They might have changed their tax since then.
Sequal's Back Les Desanusseurs 53	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:08:00 - [8] - Quote Change your corp. Play in a less taxed one, and with helpful corpmates. Grind some SP. Max your core skills and one particular light weapon you like. Play with basic and avd gears only. And don't ever rush the enemy like rambo. Stay with your team, attack on flank and learn to leave when it's needed (in order to come back in a better moment^^). If you do all these you should be able to earn some money from your battles ^^ Rise? That's what they used to call me. Sequal Rise. That was my name. Now I come Back to you, at the turn of the tide.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18113	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:15:00 - [9] - Quote Check your corp tax; Duno is notorious for over taxation CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
recounted duna corp 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:22:00 - [10] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Check your corporation tax. Thats the thing im not in a player corp im in a npc faction im not taxed at all

Clone D 1287	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:23:00 - [11] - Quote Visit the Militia Gear section of the store and check out the prices there. You can build very effective militia and standard fittings for between 2k-10k ISK per dropsuit. You can die a whole lotta times for that much
Operative 1174 Uuali Y.A.M.A.H 219	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:28:00 - [12] - Quote recounted wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Check your corporation tax. Thats the thing im not in a player corp im in a npc faction im not taxed at all [looks to his left] (Oo) Oow! I'm better than laser focused; I'm hybrid focused.
recounted duna corp 0	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:36:00 - [13] - Quote Operative 1174 Uuali wrote: recounted wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Check your corporation tax. Thats the thing im not in a player corp im in a npc faction im not taxed at all [looks to his left] >_> Oow! I just realized I was on my alt not my main gotta switch
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 6136	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:49:00 - [14] - Quote Spai detected. Run standard fittings and focus on maximizing SP over ISK.. Skirmish pays the best SP rewards. EVE Online is what you get when engineers attempt to create "fun" without consulting someone who comprehends the word.
shaman oga Dead Man's Game 3554	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:54:00 - [15] - Quote You can test your drawing skills and partecipate to my contest, it's free! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=186527 Situational awareness also known as passive scan.
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 597	Posted - 2015.01.03 10:55:00 - [16] - Quote recounted wrote: Im basically broke after every match due to me fighting close up shottys knifers and those ******* redliners who snipes you from god knows where also the heavy(s) who ganks on your ass if your attention span is off. Back to the end match with my KD being a, good average .5 (2/12)or below if im more unlucky then ever. What am I doing wrong here? Im have an account of 100,000 to 200,000 isj but then poof I have to spend them for my stockings so I wont have dead beat armor worse than I have to manage every time can I get tips on what im doing wrong? Get out of your corp. Duna is a bastard and farms his crew for Isk. You will never make money while your dragging his ball and chain. Hello? any one there?
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD RUST415 614	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:04:00 - [17] - Quote Lady MDK wrote: I die like mad and am still making a profit. Before the apex suits i used to run starter fits and get assists, then moved on to dropping uplinks for points and hacking... Like the guy above said check corp tax, if duna corp is taking a big wedge you will find it hard to make cash. Have you ever seen duna in anything but a ion cannon madruger with a scout ck.0 inside? Check corp tax! "Anybody order chaos?"
P14GU3 Savage Bullet 1033	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:07:00 - [18] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: Check your corporation tax. I lol'd I only play dust514ums now. It was always more fun than the actual game anyways.
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y General Tso's Alliance 408	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:14:00 - [19] - Quote Bradric Banewolf wrote: Lady MDK wrote: I die like mad and am still making a profit. Before the apex suits i used to run starter fits and get assists, then moved on to dropping uplinks for points and hacking... Like the guy above said check corp tax, if duna corp is taking a big wedge you will find it hard to make cash. Have you ever seen duna in anything but a ion cannon madruger with a scout ck.0 inside? Check corp tax! yes i saw him for a good year and a half in nothing but shield tanks and proto heavy 3 man crews well sometimes we ran a logi
Fibo Gjenn UNIVERSAL BANDAGE 25	Posted - 2015.01.03 11:14:00 - [20] - Quote Put every sp into dampening, equipe a repair tool, never shoot at anybody whom is either: at full health, with some one, facing you or close to cover. But on average keep your repair tool equipped, and just don't fire your gun, it's just to much a attention grabber ;-).

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 18115	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:37:00 - [21] - Quote recounted wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Check your corporation tax. Thats the thing im not in a player corp im in a npc faction im not taxed at all https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/DUST_514_NPC_Corporations Duna is not listed here. CPM 1 Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior \\= Prototype Forge Gun=// Unlocked
Ryme Intrinseca Dead Man's Game RUST415 2205	Posted - 2015.01.03 19:42:00 - [22] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: Bradric Banewolf wrote: Lady MDK wrote: I die like mad and am still making a profit. Before the apex suits i used to run starter fits and get assists, then moved on to dropping uplinks for points and hacking... Like the guy above said check corp tax, if duna corp is taking a big wedge you will find it hard to make cash. Have you ever seen duna in anything but a ion cannon madruger with a scout ck.0 inside? Check corp tax! yes i saw him for a good year and a half in nothing but shield tanks and proto heavy 3 man crews He also ran proto heavy and officer HMG in an LLAV for several months...
tal mrak-thanl DUST University Ivy League 14	Posted - 2015.01.03 20:03:00 - [23] - Quote Didn't see anyone else mention this, so: If you are running low on isk, disable every game mode except ambush for a few hours. The sp payout isn't very good if you don't get a lot of kills, but the isk payout is good regardless. Its easy to stay alive in ambush as long as you stick to your team and use cover. Stick some hives on your fitting and toss them where your teammates will need them, or, more appropriately, equip nanite injectors and pick your teammates up when you arent being shot at.
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 387	Posted - 2015.01.03 21:22:00 - [24] - Quote recounted wrote: Im basically broke after every match due to me fighting close up shottys knifers and those ******* redliners who snipes you from god knows where also the heavy(s) who ganks on your ass if your attention span is off. Back to the end match with my KD being a, good average .5 (2/12)or below if im more unlucky then ever. What am I doing wrong here? Im have an account of 100,000 to 200,000 isj but then poof I have to spend them for my stockings so I wont have dead beat armor worse than I have to manage every time can I get tips on what im doing wrong? New Years greetings to you, Recounted. Not trying to insult you by saying that I am GUESSING from little clues in your posts that you are a Newberry. In Dust and EVE, "Newberry" is a sign of respect, because you are where all the advanced players have been, so DON'T HAVE a INFURIATION ATTACK. (When some players have that "attack", they give up and uninstall this game---it's a very frustrating game.) To progress successfully through Dust, you have to absorb humiliation for whatever amount of time it takes to "deduce" the ways this game is "different from the other fps games I play on PS3". The fact that you are getting the "I must be doing something wrong" feeling is the first sign that you are on your way to surviving the "hurt-phase" and potentially becoming a smart player. NORMALLY, the advice posted by the other players in this thread would be adequate--'stay close to other blue players', 'pay attention to your surroundings', 'pick the assault bop-pistol first', etc. But there has always been a "type" of player who feels they HAVE to succeed against other players in a 1-v-1 encounter, and are compelled to reach for whatever safest path or discoverable game-exploit they find to help them succeed. DUST 514 doesn't really CARE about creating good 1-v-1 gunslingers to fill a leader-board (that is the main design of other fps games, not this one)GÇª. But a scary amount of players WILL frustrate your progress in the match and cost you excess ISK, on their way to snatch-grabbing as many random personal kills per minimal clone loss that they can. As a result, the respectable community of Scouts is littered with players who have no Scout interest, but find the cloak/shotgun the best way to do leader-board bragging. And the community of repeatable Snipers has always had some players who "aren't very skilled" at Sniper techniques, but found stooping in the safe rear area and glean whatever pedestrian kills they can, so they don't have to feel so inadequate and victimized trying open-field fighting. The timid pseudo-snipers are players I have compassion for. The cloak-shottys are a type I NEVER sympathise with. But BOTH types of players are hunting YOU, Recounted. Please add my advanced-player strategy to whatever you do on the map, in order to buy yourself time to build ISK and a battle style you like. --Do NOT approach any Null hacks or installation hack by yourself. Both types of enemy player spend the most time around these hack-points hoping a loner blue will visit by himself. --When you are shot by one of these players, do NOT go back to that location right away hoping to get revenge (you really need vehicle assistance or an advanced player with you, to be able to spot your killer right after your death and avenge you). --When you are staying close to other blues for safety (always a safe idea), let THEM hack the objective---you stay a clear distance away from them and EXPECT a cloak-boy or sniper to make an attempt on the hacker's life. Practice spotting the killer when he makes his move. These days, NOTHING is more satisfying than avenging a buddy's assassination by shooting one of those fleeing shotties in the back and seeing his corpse de-cloak on the ground. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 1196	Posted - 2015.01.04 01:54:00 - [25] - Quote Use starter fits and have fun.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 653	Posted - 2015.01.04 02:12:00 - [26] - Quote Cuz this game is broken and only good player will profit no matter what. Losing 200k per fit several times per battle doesn't matter when you can earn what you losed during few other battles. If you have isks crisis, use std/starter fits. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
CELESTA AUNGM Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 388	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:38:00 - [27] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Cuz this game is broken and only good player will profit no matter what. Losing 200k per fit several times per battle doesn't matter when you can earn what you losed during few other battles. If you have isks crisis, use std/starter fits. Umm, well not exactly. Not necessarily. If I am understanding the author correctly, he's fresh on his way to knowing how to manage his finances, and choose the appropriate assets---but the excess of cloak-shotties and mezzanine-snipers are standing in the way of him making any respectable grind progress. That's an issue (and a potentially severe problem for the new players) that I as a seasoned player hadn't even given thought to. It's not a broken design, if the game rewards a player with profit in any situation, once she's become good (meaning she's finally learned how to truly master her gear/ISK/tactics in any battle/crisis. (Incidentally, letting yourself get pushed into wearing a "hobo" starter suit 95% of the time to live on table-scraps,... isn't playing Dust "good" to me, it's playing it 'timidly'). Nonetheless,.. yes, even if he uses the right economic fits/suits and tactics, if any of the gameplay excesses stop him from even reaching 1st-base in his character progress, that IS an unfair obstacle in the game. Universe of good wishes for the 49, especially CCP Eterne... No story can have life without writers and publishers.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 1441	Posted - 2015.01.04 03:38:00 - [28] - Quote recounted wrote: Im basically broke after every match due to me fighting close up shottys knifers and those ******* redliners who snipes you from god knows where also the heavy(s) who ganks on your ass if your attention span is off. Back to the end match with my KD being a, good average .5 (2/12)or below if im more unlucky then ever. What am I doing wrong here? Im have an account of 100,000 to 200,000 isj but then poof I have to spend them for my stockings so I wont have dead beat armor worse than I have to manage every time can I get tips on what im doing wrong? First, drop Duna. Second, run starter fits in Ambush as long as you can stand. Third, budget your suits. If you are going to spend money on the game a Minmatar Assault pack gets you lots of stuff. If you run just the stuff in it you should be able to get at least a 10 million cushion, then you can afford to lose ISK once in awhile. Set a bottom limit for your ISK and force yourself to play free suits when you hit it. Because, that's why.
Mejt0 Dead Man's Game RUST415 653	Posted - 2015.01.04 04:30:00 - [29] - Quote CELESTA AUNGM wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Cuz this game is broken and only good player will profit no matter what. Losing 200k per fit several times per battle doesn't matter when you can earn what you losed during few other battles. If you have isks crisis, use std/starter fits. Umm, well not exactly. Not necessarily. If I am understanding the author correctly, he's fresh on his way to knowing how to manage his finances, and choose the appropriate assets---but the excess of cloak-shotties and mezzanine-snipers are standing in the way of him making any respectable grind progress. That's an issue (and a potentially severe problem for the new players) that I as a seasoned player hadn't even give n thought to. It's not a broken design, if the game rewards a player with profit in any situation, once she's become good (meaning she's finally learned how to truly master her gear/ISK/tactics in any battle/crisis. (Incidentally, letting yourself get pushed into wearing a "hobo" starter suit 95% of the time to live on table-scraps,... isn't playing Dust "good" to me, it's playing it 'timidly'). Nonetheless,.. yes, even if he uses the right economic fits/suits and tactics, if any of the gameplay excesses stop him from even reaching 1st-base in his character progress, that IS an unfair obstacle in the game. Yes. That's why i sad : 'use std/starter fits'. By 'good player' i mean someone who have : SP, good skilled tree, proper aim and knowlege of how to play with X suit/role. Eg. I earned the biggest amount of isks playing as assault when they were crap. That's because i knew what i was doing and i was collecting isks, so i could [now] use everyting proto when i'll play good enough. That ofc happend long time ago. Loyal to State. Led by Tibus Heth. Ready for sacrafise [like Admiral Yakiya Tobil-Toba]. Ps. I have 2 minmatar slaves
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14822	Posted - 2015.01.04 05:11:00 - [30] - Quote Since the other players haven't said it, I will. Press R1, then go to [Corporation] > [My Corporation] > [Members] > [recounted] Press X on your name, then hit the [Leave Corporation] option. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND



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