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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2015.01.03 09:46:00 -
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The hell does everyone use it for? MAthematically speaking, the standard SMG outranges it and outDPSes it. So why do I see it more often than the normal SMG?
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1962
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Posted - 2015.01.03 09:57:00 -
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Higher damage per mag makes it a better panic weapon.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
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Posted - 2015.01.03 10:01:00 -
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Wouldn't the better panic weapon be the one with A. higher DPS B. longer range and C. higher ROF?
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1962
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Posted - 2015.01.03 10:04:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:Wouldn't the better panic weapon be the one with A. higher DPS B. longer range and C. higher ROF?
Panic implies spray n pray.
While higher RoF is usually better for spray n pray, a larger magazine is supremely useful.
It just keeps shooting!
And the DPS and Range differences are small enough to not make much difference.
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Sequal's Back
Les Desanusseurs
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Posted - 2015.01.03 10:16:00 -
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The main advantage of the breach SMG is that you can kill multiple enemies with 1 clip as the damage per shot are quite high and the clip size is huge. You dont have to reload all the time like the normal variant.
I agree with Fizzer that it makes a better panic weapon ^^
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1962
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Posted - 2015.01.03 10:26:00 -
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In short:
Range and DPS are not the end all be all that most people think they are.
Damage per mag is just as important, if not more important as them.
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Meisterjager Jagermeister
Red and Silver Hand
Amarr Empire
573
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Posted - 2015.01.03 19:13:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution
3585
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Posted - 2015.01.03 19:22:00 -
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Larger damage per bullet makes it better at killing shields.
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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
177
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Posted - 2015.01.03 19:36:00 -
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With all the strafing and bunny hopping you land less shots. So when it lands it packs a punch.
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postapo wastelander
Corrosive Synergy
873
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Posted - 2015.01.03 19:50:00 -
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Fizzer XCIV wrote:Higher damage per mag makes it a better panic weapon.
By my observation it is that kick, whats make it more panic (for guy who receiving bullets).
Its "pfbh pfbh pfbh" sound make me panic everytime ;p
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6785
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Posted - 2015.01.03 21:49:00 -
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It has much better dispersion and the rate of fire is low enough that recoil is negligible.
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wiseguy12
Sector Combat Solutions and Logistics
92
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Posted - 2015.01.03 21:54:00 -
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Breach is better when your primary runs out, but killing wise the regular msg is the best.
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All Gucci
T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K
33
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Posted - 2015.01.03 21:56:00 -
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Also there is a 3/5 chance you will run into an armor tanker vs the 2/5 chance of a shield tanker..... Becauseeeee 3 out of 4 suit can armor tank wile only 2 out of 4 can properly shield tank  https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=186669&find=unread solution without hurting the anti armor weapons.
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3328
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Posted - 2015.01.03 22:12:00 -
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Its the anti-heavy SMG
Also handles very well, similar to BrAR.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
2422
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Posted - 2015.01.03 22:14:00 -
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So the breach is better simply because its easier to land hits?
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
7665
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Posted - 2015.01.03 22:52:00 -
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Way better hit reliability.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
6786
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Posted - 2015.01.03 23:00:00 -
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Alena Ventrallis wrote:So the breach is better simply because its easier to land hits?
Yeah. Though it does kill slower if you feather the trigger on the Assault or the regular SMG. At the end of the day it comes to preference and situation.
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Aeon Amadi
Chimera Core
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Posted - 2015.01.03 23:02:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:So the breach is better simply because its easier to land hits? Yeah. Though it does kill slower if you feather the trigger on the Assault or the regular SMG. At the end of the day it comes to preference and situation.
I prefer the performance and sound of an actual SMG versus a playing card stuck in a bike wheel.
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Francois Sanchez
Prima Gallicus
209
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Posted - 2015.01.03 23:24:00 -
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On general note :
At equal DPS, a weapon with lower RoF has an advantge because you can control your shots more easily and are less penalized by bad hit detection. Moreover as the sidearm is often used against an already weakened enemy, the high damage per shot weapon may kill faster.
Now the SMG case :
- Assault variant has a lower DPS (nearly the same but still lower) and half the damage per clip of a breach SMG. And it uses more CPU and PG. All those drawbacks to have 46m effective range instead of 42, a range at which all SMGs kinda suck. So ASMG is garbage.
- Normal SMG : same DPS as breach (1 more HP/s doesn't matter), 3 quarters of the damge per clip, 44m effective range instead of 42. Whereas the damage per clip does make a difference, the 2m of extra effective range doesn't, so the breach is better.
And even if overall the two weapons were as good as each other statwise, for the reasons mentioned at the beginning, the breach would still be a better choice.
I still don't understand how CCP didn't realize how the ASMG was far behind the two others when they tried to rebalance sidearms. |
CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
2929
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Posted - 2015.01.03 23:27:00 -
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Just speaking from personal experience, it is very nice to use. While hipfiring the breach SMG it behaves similar to the magsec SMG without the crazy amounts of kick associated with the magsec.
(Honestly no weapon in this game has much kick at all compared to a LOT of other FPS games, has anyone played payday2 for instance?)
This is also something that I find a large majority of people always overlook when talking about stats and balancing. The feel and ease of use of a weapon - in a multitude of situations, is just as important as its base stats in my opinion.
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CommanderBolt
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2015.01.03 23:29:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Way better hit reliability.
This is yet another overlooked aspect of weapons in this game. I would also argue this is a 'unique' attribute to DUST514. (lol)
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Sicerly Yaw
Quantum times
7
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Posted - 2015.01.04 00:50:00 -
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I would like to point out that the breach actually has better range then the normal smg (52.59 vs 51.73) and less dispersion plus practically no kick.
so its a better sidearm for those pesky scrubs that try to run away. |
Niuvo
NECROM0NGERS
1196
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Posted - 2015.01.04 01:44:00 -
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All three variants are panic attacks. I love them all. |
Powerh8er
The Rainbow Effect
619
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Posted - 2015.01.04 02:22:00 -
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If the badass dakka-dakka sound to it isnt a good enough reason to use i dont know what is. |
DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:20:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Way better hit reliability. This is yet another overlooked aspect of weapons in this game. I would also argue this is a 'unique' attribute to DUST514. (lol)
Sounds like the MP40 from Call of Duty: World at War
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Fizzer XCIV
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
1976
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:28:00 -
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DeadlyAztec11 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Way better hit reliability. This is yet another overlooked aspect of weapons in this game. I would also argue this is a 'unique' attribute to DUST514. (lol) Sounds like the MP40 from Call of Duty: World at War
Or the UMP45 in MW2.
Or the MP5 in MW1.
The CoD Devs always loved putting a slightly OP SMG in their games. Not sure if they still do, but they definitely used to.
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Alena Ventrallis
Vengeance Unbound
2432
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:31:00 -
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Guess I need to reevaluate my fits. Been using the Six Kin on my Amarr assault.
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