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Cody Sietz wrote:

Sir Dukey wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Don't use Hp mods? I mean you could use one precision mod and a shield extender then run 1-2 damps(I recommend only 1 tbh) 1 kincat and leave the last 1 or 2 slots to you imagination.

Maybe a range amp(they are pretty awful now) or a extra kincat.

I mean, you only honestly need precision mods if you plan on scout hunting(one for bad scouts that don't damp and 2 for good scouts who do) the bonus totally frees up at least one slot if you aren't worried about other scouts.

The amarr scout is 4% slower than the other scouts, at max skills it has 37.5 more HP than other scouts.

It looses 10 shields and gains about 40 armor on top of the gallante scout base. It gains a total of 30 hp. A 4% strafe speed decrease, sprint decrease, and movement decrease is what you get from an enhanced Armor plate.

Penalty wise, the Amarr scout should have a total of 250 armor base and 60 shields. To be fair.

I'm sorry but a scouts a scout.

You get nearly 300 with max skills, have more stamina then any scout and a really good bonus. It can hunt scouts and per from as a light assault. Not to mention that the Amarr scout got a buff to Armour repair and the gallente lost half his repair and now only heals half a point more then the Amarr scout.

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Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1435	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:47:00 - [1] - Quote It's too slow. Armor plate penalty is heavy. So it has to use feroscales =lower HP Low armor regen ability. You can shield tank to increase HP but it has a bonus to Precision and it'd be a waste to not put precision amps The scan range for scout is way to low. There is no point in having 18 precision when you can't scan anything while cloaked or scan anything that is 25m away. Also, with the new scan overhaul, you need two precision's to get under scans and that is two low slots which means= low HP, low Regen, Slow, no scan range. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Atiim Titans of Phoenix 14776	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:52:00 - [2] - Quote If it's too slow, use one of your 4 Low Slots for a KinCat. The 1st Matari Commando -HAND
Cat Merc Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 14233	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:54:00 - [3] - Quote Nobody except sentinels is using the normal plates anymore. Well, nobody except for the easy targets lol Feline overlord of all humans Assault Conglomerate: Because we don't shave
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1435	Posted - 2015.01.01 20:56:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: If it's too slow, use one of your 4 Low Slots for a KinCat. Ok, here... Two complex precision mods (to go with the bonus and strengthen it) Two complex Damps (to get under scans) One complex Kin Cat (to help a little bit with speed) That leaves ones low slot. Do I put on armor and have semi medium amount of HP and absolutely no Reps, Do I put on a Repair but if I do, will I last long enough to make use of it?? Do I put on a Range extender or do I just stick with stupidly low 25m range? Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4277	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:02:00 - [5] - Quote Don't use Hp mods? I mean you could use one precision mod and a shield extender then run 1-2 damps(I recommend only 1 tbh) 1 kincat and leave the last 1 or 2 slots to you imagination. Maybe a range amp(they are pretty awful now) or a extra kincat. I mean, you only honestly need precision mods if you plan on scout hunting(one for bad scouts that don't damp and 2 for good scouts who do) the bonus totally frees up at least one slot if you aren't worried about other scouts. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1436	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:10:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Don't use Hp mods? I mean you could use one precision mod and a shield extender then run 1-2 damps(I recommend only 1 tbh) 1 kincat and leave the last 1 or 2 slots to you imagination. Maybe a range amp(they are pretty awful now) or a extra kincat. I mean, you only honestly need precision mods if you plan on scout hunting(one for bad scouts that don't damp and 2 for good scouts who do) the bonus totally frees up at least one slot if you aren't worried about other scouts. The amarr scout is 4% slower than the other scouts, at max skills it has 37.5 more HP than other scouts. It looses 10 shields and gains about 40 armor on top of the gallante scout base. It gains a total of 30 hp. A 4% strafe speed decrease, sprint decrease, and movement decrease is what you get from an enhanced Armor plate. Penalty wise, the Amarr scout should have a total of 250 armor base and 60 shields. To be fair. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 10637	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:13:00 - [7] - Quote What the Amarr scout lacks in speed, it makes up for it in huge amounts of stamina. I can slap on an Ishukone Cloak Field, turn it on, run and then run out of cloak long before I even run out of stamina. A dedicated Minmatar scout user would know how to best utilize the Amarr scout because Minscouts have adapted just fine to not have to rely on any EWAR or HP to survive. Some Minscouts can also do just fine without the cloak in general. Personally, I see the Amarr scout as the go-to suit for long runs deep into enemy territory especially when you need to outpace your opponent. Makes for excellent infiltration especially with the uplinks. Minscouts can do the same but often have to rely on utilizing the natural terrain (not structures) to mask their profile. On Twitter: @HilmarVeigar #greenlightlegion #dust514 players are waiting.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1436	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:18:00 - [8] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: What the Amarr scout lacks in speed, it makes up for it in huge amounts of stamina. I can slap on an Ishukone Cloak Field, turn it on, run and then run out of cloak long before I even run out of stamina. A dedicated Minmatar scout user would know how to best utilize the Amarr scout because Minscouts have adapted just fine to not have to rely on any EWAR or HP to survive. Some Minscouts can also do just fine without the cloak in general. Personally, I see the Amarr scout as the go-to suit for long runs deep into enemy territory especially when you need to outpace your opponent. Makes for excellent infiltration especially with the uplinks. Minscouts can do the same but often have to rely on utilizing the natural terrain (not structures) to mask their profile. A minmatar scout is probably a better runner, it has better recharge and is much faster. Somebody a while ago made a chart comparing the running abilities of the Min Scout and Am Scout. The min scout had a lead most of the time, the recharge was so fast the for any lost ground during recharges, the speed made up and even beat the Am scout. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Nocturnal Soul Primordial Threat 4918	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:27:00 - [9] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: What the Amarr scout lacks in speed, it makes up for it in huge amounts of stamina. I can slap on an Ishukone Cloak Field, turn it on, run and then run out of cloak long before I even run out of stamina. A dedicated Minmatar scout user would know how to best utilize the Amarr scout because Minscouts have adapted just fine to not have to rely on any EWAR or HP to survive. Some Minscouts can also do just fine without the cloak in general. Personally, I see the Amarr scout as the go-to suit for long runs deep into enemy territory especially when you need to outpace your opponent. Makes for excellent infiltration especially with the uplinks. Minscouts can do the same but often have to rely on utilizing the natural terrain (not structures) to mask their profile. A minmatar scout is probably a better runner, it has better recharge and is much faster. Somebody a while ago made a chart comparing the running abilities of the Min Scout and Am Scout. The min scout had a lead most of the time, the recharge was so fast the for any lost ground during recharges, the speed made up and even beat the Am scout. Every other scout beat the distance runner because of the regain buff. (Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ. LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
Mad Kras SVER True Blood 150	Posted - 2015.01.01 21:47:00 - [10] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: It's too slow. Armor plate penalty is heavy. So it has to use feroscales =lower HP Low armor regen ability. You can shield tank to increase HP but it has a bonus to Precision and it'd be a waste to not put precision amps The scan range for scout is way to low. There is no point in having 18 precision when you can't scan anything while cloaked or scan anything that is 25m away. Also, with the new scan overhaul, you need two precision's to get under scans and that is two low slots which means= low HP, low Regen, Slow, no scan range. My opinion on the matter ----> https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=186470&find=unread Arrogance and sarcasm lvl 5

Dreis Shadowweaver T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 1088	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:09:00 - [11] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Atiim wrote: If it's too slow, use one of your 4 Low Slots for a KinCat. Ok, here... Two complex precision mods (to go with the bonus and strengthen it) Two complex Damps (to get under scans) One complex Kin Cat (to help a little bit with speed) That leaves ones low slot. Do I put on armor and have semi medium amount of HP and absolutely no Reps, Do I put on a Repair but if I do, will I last long enough to make use of it?? Do I put on a Range extender or do I just stick with stupidly low 25m range? 25 metres? iirc, all scouts now have a base 10m scan radius, 15m with skills. Logis now have 25m base, around 38m with skills. And idk about the amarr scout, but I find that 1 complex damp is sufficient 95% of the time. Creator of the 'Nova Knifers United' channel Caldari blood, Minmatar heart <3 Dreis - pronounced like 'Maize'
Cody Sietz Random Gunz RISE of LEGION 4277	Posted - 2015.01.01 22:19:00 - [12] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Don't use Hp mods? I mean you could use one precision mod and a shield extender then run 1-2 damps(I recommend only 1 tbh) 1 kincat and leave the last 1 or 2 slots to you imagination. Maybe a range amp(they are pretty awful now) or a extra kincat. I mean, you only honestly need precision mods if you plan on scout hunting(one for bad scouts that don't damp and 2 for good scouts who do) the bonus totally frees up at least one slot if you aren't worried about other scouts. The amarr scout is 4% slower than the other scouts, at max skills it has 37.5 more HP than other scouts. It looses 10 shields and gains about 40 armor on top of the gallante scout base. It gains a total of 30 hp. A 4% strafe speed decrease, sprint decrease, and movement decrease is what you get from an enhanced Armor plate. Penalty wise, the Amarr scout should have a total of 250 armor base and 60 shields. To be fair. I'm sorry but a scouts a scout. You get nearly 300 with max skills, have more stamina then any scout and a really good bonus. It can hunt scouts and per from as a light assault. Not to mention that the Amarr scout got a buff to Armour repair and the gallente lost half his repair and now only heals half a point more then the Amarr scout. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1432	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:21:00 - [13] - Quote AM Scout was healthy prior to Falloff. It is bad now because passive scans are bad. All it needs is a new role. Replacing the precision perk with something else would solve the problem.
Protected Void Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 325	Posted - 2015.01.02 01:07:00 - [14] - Quote Vitantur Nothus wrote: AM Scout was healthy prior to Falloff. It is bad now because passive scans are bad. All it needs is a new role. Replacing the precision perk with something else would solve the problem. I never run with HP modules on my scout suit, and I run scout 95% of the time. HP stacking just doesn't interest me, I get way more enjoyment out of precision, dampening and speed. I specced into Amarr scout after the scan range nerf, and found it a marked improvement over my trusty Gallente scout - my main suit since open beta - which I already did quite well in. Wih two complex precision enhancers, I find that I get good scans in the outer, lower precision ring of the passive scans, too. I rarely get jumped by shotgun scouts anymore. If the precision bonus is removed, my scans in the outer ring will suck, and the whole basis of my playstyle will fail. I think a far better solution would be to make the range less sucky again.
Sir Dukey Murphys-Law General Tso's Alliance 1439	Posted - 2015.01.02 03:18:00 - [15] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Sir Dukey wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Don't use Hp mods? I mean you could use one precision mod and a shield extender then run 1-2 damps(I recommend only 1 tbh) 1 kincat and leave the last 1 or 2 slots to you imagination. Maybe a range amp(they are pretty awful now) or a extra kincat. I mean, you only honestly need precision mods if you plan on scout hunting(one for bad scouts that don't damp and 2 for good scouts who do) the bonus totally frees up at least one slot if you aren't worried about other scouts. The amarr scout is 4% slower than the other scouts, at max skills it has 37.5 more HP than other scouts. It looses 10 shields and gains about 40 armor on top of the gallante scout base. It gains a total of 30 hp. A 4% strafe speed decrease, sprint decrease, and movement decrease is what you get from an enhanced Armor plate. Penalty wise, the Amarr scout should have a total of 250 armor base and 60 shields. To be fair. I'm sorry but a scouts a scout. You get nearly 300 with max skills, have more stamina then any scout and a really good bonus. It can hunt scouts and per from as a light assault. Not to mention that the Amarr scout got a buff to Armour repair and the gallente lost half his repair and now only heals half a point more then the Amarr scout. It's not about armor repairs ect. It's the fact that I lost so much speed for barley any HP in return. Acquire Currency, Disregard Female Canis lupus familiaris
Colossus of Sardia SWARMYARD 6	Posted - 2015.01.02 06:16:00 - [16] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Atiim wrote: If it's too slow, use one of your 4 Low Slots for a KinCat. Ok, here... Two complex precision mods (to go with the bonus and strengthen it) Two complex Damps (to get under scans) One complex Kin Cat (to help a little bit with speed) That leaves ones low slot. Do I put on armor and have semi medium amount of HP and absolutely no Reps, Do I put on a Repair but if I do, will I last long enough to make use of it?? Do I put on a Range extender or do I just stick with stupidly low 25m range? you could use a complex reactive plate. gives you armor plus enough reps for your amount of armor.
All Gucci T.H.I.R.D R.O.C.K 22	Posted - 2015.01.02 06:30:00 - [17] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: What the Amarr scout lacks in speed, it makes up for it in huge amounts of stamina. I can slap on an Ishukone Cloak Field, turn it on, run and then run out of cloak long before I even run out of stamina. A dedicated Minmatar scout user would know how to best utilize the Amarr scout because Minscouts have adapted just fine to not have to rely on any EWAR or HP to survive. Some Minscouts can also do just fine without the cloak in general. Personally, I see the Amarr scout as the go-to suit for long runs deep into enemy territory especially when you need to outpace your opponent. Makes for excellent infiltration especially with the uplinks. Minscouts can do the same but often have to rely on utilizing the natural terrain (not structures) to mask their profile. A minmatar scout is probably a better runner, it has better recharge and is much faster. Somebody a while ago made a chart comparing the running abilities of the Min Scout and Am Scout. The min scout had a lead most of the time, the recharge was so fast the for any lost ground during recharges, the speed made up and even beat the Am scout. its the same thing for the amarr assualt and min assualt even though stamina is our thing Emperor Gucci


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