DUST Search - let's save the Amarr Scout from extinction

Protected Void wrote:

Vitantur Nothus wrote:

Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:

Vitantur Nothus wrote:

How to Fix:

~~+% Scan Precision~~
+% to Biotic Module Efficacy

As soon as that change is made I would delete all my Amarr scout fits.

Prior to falloff, I ran AM Scout roughly 25% of my time in pubs and 50-75% of my time in PC. I now run it 0% of the time, and I'm not alone in this. The suit's usage rates have plummeted with good reason; its former strength and role have been greatly devalued.

If the precision bonus were changed to a biotics bonus, I guarantee you'd see a spike in AM Scout use, both in pubs and PC. Further, if Rattati followed through with the Myo jump changes, biotic AM builds would become incredibly fun to run.

That may be so, but it would still ruin my playstyle. I want good enough precision to spot most scouts, the ability to dampen well and good speed. To my knowledge, no other suits can do that well enough. I don't think it makes sense to completely refocus a suit just because it got somewhat broken by the first iteration of scan falloff. Better to adjust the scan range and keep the suit within its intended niche. I already specced out of the cal scout once, due to the loss of precision bonus. It would really suck to have a bait and switch pulled on me yet again.


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Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1431	Posted - 2015.01.02 00:13:00 - [1] - Quote How to Fix: ~~+% Scan Precision~~ +% to Biotic Module Efficacy
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1435	Posted - 2015.01.02 01:39:00 - [2] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: How to Fix: ~~+% Scan Precision~~ +% to Biotic Module Efficacy As soon as that change is made I would delete all my Amarr scout fits. Pre-falloff, I ran AM Scout roughly 25% of the time in pubs and 50-75% of the time in PC. I now run it 0% of the time, and I'm not alone in this; the suit's usage rates have quite plainly plummeted and with good reason. It's former strength is now far less valuable than the strengths of other scout suits. If the precision bonus were changed to biotics and Rattati moves forward with the Myo jump bonus, I guarantee you'd see a spike in AM Scout use in both pubs and PC. Biotic builds would be fun, and in the right hands deadly.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1438	Posted - 2015.01.02 14:13:00 - [3] - Quote Protected Void wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: Vitantur Nothus wrote: How to Fix: ~~+% Scan Precision~~ +% to Biotic Module Efficacy As soon as that change is made I would delete all my Amarr scout fits. Prior to falloff, I ran AM Scout roughly 25% of my time in pubs and 50-75% of my time in PC. I now run it 0% of the time, and I'm not alone in this. The suit's usage rates have plummeted with good reason; its former strength and role have been greatly devalued. If the precision bonus were changed to a biotics bonus, I guarantee you'd see a spike in AM Scout use, both in pubs and PC. Further, if Rattati followed through with the Myo jump changes, biotic AM builds would become incredibly fun to run. That may be so, but it would still ruin my playstyle. I want good enough precision to spot most scouts, the ability to dampen well and good speed. To my knowledge, no other suits can do that well enough. I don't think it makes sense to completely refocus a suit just because it got somewhat broken by the first iteration of scan falloff. Better to adjust the scan range and keep the suit within its intended niche. I already specced out of the cal scout once, due to the loss of precision bonus. It would really suck to have a bait and switch pulled on me yet again. We were more-or-less told that "360 degree wallhack scans" have to go. I'd be thrilled to see Rattati make an exception for the AM Scout. He has good reason to, as its sole strength (counter-infiltration) was crippled by Falloff. But I don't see that happening. Alternatively, tuning Falloff by extending inner ring range (or reversing the Range Extender nerf) could create new balance problems. Firstly, we'd see the AM Scout Recon immediately replaced by the Logi (equal scan strength in practice, better scan range, greater build flexibility, far greater squad utility). Secondly, we'd see improved performance by the already dominant Heavy+Logi blobs. Lastly, we'd increase the risk level of SG and NK play to a point well beyond imbalanced. I don't see an easy fix here, Void. If we've ruled that "360 degree wallhack scans" have to go, then they should stay gone. In which case, the AM Scout should get a new role to fill and a perk overhaul to fit it.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1438	Posted - 2015.01.02 14:56:00 - [4] - Quote m621 zma wrote: Nothing wrong with the Amar scout suit as is... I dumped my Amar scout ... don't know what it's like currently.
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1438	Posted - 2015.01.02 15:05:00 - [5] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: I use the same Ak.0 scout only with Breach AR and 2 Precision enhancers instead of damage mods. Get in 30mts from me and be seen...XD (unless you are a GK.0 or Cal.0 scout with 2 cx profile damps) 30 meters? Even if you're running straight scan mods, your inner ring is 9 meters and middle ring is 22 meters. Your outer ring may reach 30 meters, but it pings at 23 dB. Your scans are beat by GA/CA Scout with a single damp (20dB) or AM/CA Scout with two damps (18dB) or one damp + advanced cloak (22dB).
Vitantur Nothus Nos Nothi 1441	Posted - 2015.01.02 21:30:00 - [6] - Quote :: shortcut :: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2547567#post2547567 ^ Prototype usage trends. GA, CA, and MN Scouts present as fairly balanced against one another. The AM Scout appears to be trending downward. Should its usage continue to slump, something will have to change. Time will tell. A base scan range buff to the AM Scout would absolutely help; +5m to match current Logi seems reasonable. We should ask, but we should also have a backup plan in case we're shot down. As for swapping precision for a biotics bonus, I'm thinking +5% to +7% efficacy per level; max sprint speed would be just under 12 m/s. PC usage would increase as the AM Scout would replace the GA Scout as the PC Uplink runner. Pub usage would increase as the Myo-jump changes (fingers crossed) would make for especially fun gameplay.